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Minicamp notebook: New rules ease restrictions on vaccinated


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Missing games due to COVID is a much bigger deal in football than in baseball, basketball or hockey (where the number of games is so high).  

If a player is out 2 or 3 NFL games because he didn't get vaccinated, and the team loses those games, the other players, coaches and fans are all going to be pissed.  

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5 hours ago, FeelTheBurns53 said:

For a non FDA approved vaccine without any long term clinical trials that has killed approximately 5,000 people (per the cdc) directly after or a few days after being administered, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of side effects ranging from a mild fever to bells palsy, myocarditis, paralysis, convolsions, and death, this vaccine is definitely not one size fits all. 

This ^^^ is utter bullshit.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths/fact-check-vaers-reported-vaccine-deaths-have-not-been-confirmed-or-deemed-causal-by-cdc-idUSL1N2MZ2H8

What you need to know

 

 

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1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I’m not worrying about people who want to take a political or other stand. If you get it and lose your life or future lung capacity, that’s on you now.

It is not just about an individual failing to get vaccinated and paying the ultimate price for their poor decision making.  If it were that simple I'd agree.

However, there is no guarantee that the COVID vaccines we have today will remain effective against future variants of the virus.   

That is why it is important that as many people as possible get vaccinated ASAP and help reduce the likelihood of COVID remaining viable.   We are all in this together.

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If you want to learn about vaccines and the immune system presented within the frame of reference of COVID I recommend watching this series featuring Dr Crotty of the Ja Jolla Institute for Immunology. For me is was just the correct mix of science explained to the lay person. It's deep enough without being too much. The BS that people are spreading can easily be cleared up if you educate yourself.

This is one of several from before the vaccines were available until much more recently.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

It is not just about an individual failing to get vaccinated and paying the ultimate price for their poor decision making.  If it were that simple I'd agree.

However, there is no guarantee that the COVID vaccines we have today will remain effective against future variants of the virus.   

That is why it is important that as many people as possible get vaccinated ASAP and help reduce the likelihood of COVID remaining viable.   We are all in this together.

The appeal of the mRNA vaccines is the ability to change the instructions to generate the various spike proteins such that the antibodies can recognize and the T cells can destroy variants. The researchers don't seem concerned about updating these instructions.

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8 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

The appeal of the mRNA vaccines is the ability to change the instructions to emulate the various spike proteins such that the antibodies can recognize and the T cells can destroy. The researchers don't seem concerned about updating these instructions.

Yeah the mRNA is also in trials right now for HIV and different flu strains. Some scientists have said they think this is going to help cure some cancers. It really is an incredible human achievement.

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1 hour ago, BlitzMonster said:

Your statement is a gross misinterpretation of the data.


From the CDC website

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

" VAERS [the national Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System] received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines."

 

Actual number of deaths clearly attributed to the vaccine:  3

That's out of approximately 300 million shots given. 

https://www.whec.com/news/fact-check-covid-vaccine-deaths-/6141835/

"Dr. Branche says three deaths have been reported due to blood clots (Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome) from the vaccine. "

I get your general point but I think the situation is a bit more nuanced...

1.  As of June 11, only 69% of the 474K COVID vaccine adverse event reports have actually been reviewed and processed into the database.  The number of reported events has overwhelmed the system and the staff available to investigate the reported events.  More time and peer review of the reported events is necessary to draw truly reliable conclusions, one way or the other.

2. More adverse events for COVID vaccines have been reported than all other vaccines combined, by several orders of magnitude.  

3. Per research conducted by Harvard and other institutions, only 1% of actual events end up being reported to VAERS so, the actual number of adverse incidents in the population is much higher than what is captured by the VAERS system.

4.  Dr. Branche that you quote above specifically states only three deaths due to blood clots.  That is not the whole data set of 5,000+ reported deaths from all causes.

5. All that can be statistically extrapolated at this point is that deaths from COVID vaccines lies somewhere between 300 and 500,000, based on only 1% of actual adverse events being reported.

I suggest a little more humility in light of the above statistics, until more research is completed.  There is no way that the VAERS staff can thoroughly research and properly assess 474K reported cases in 5.5 months.

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Just now, TheRumGone said:

Yeah the mRNA is also in trials right now for HIV and different flu strains. Some scientists have said they think this is going to help cure some cancers. It really is an incredible human achievement.

Researchers have been working on mRNA uses for 30 years.  Some folks act like this is some new thing that hasn't had enough time being researched, which is just plain ignorant.  The great thing about messenger RNA is it's plug and play.  Figure out what you want to target, program the mRNA and the cells will learn from it.

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Key points regarding the speed of the vaccine that concerns many people

1. The mRNA process is simpler. Traditional vaccines took years/decades to develop because the process to create the deactivated viruses took years and many phases of approvals in those processes. mRNA bypasses by relying on your body to generate the proteins. The safety steps of the mRNA vaccine development have been identical and in fact includes more trials than any previous traditional vaccine. They have more safety data on these covid vaccine upon release than any vaccine prior.

2. The funding was laid out fully and in advance where previous vaccines required pauses to generate the funding at each milestone. 

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34 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

I think that Jeremy has an obligation to remove posts and posters that are outright wrong and dangerous.

The first call for 'cancel culture' here on the Huddle. 

It's Jeremy's site, he can do what he wants but who are you to decide what is outright wrong and dangerous on this highly technical topic?  Are you a degreed virologist or epidemiologist, or did you just sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

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17 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

With the vaccine available, I honestly wouldn't be opposed to anyone forced to miss time due to COVID to lose their pay during that time. It's literally entirely your own fault. 

You do realize you can still get Covid even if vaccinated, right?

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