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Pro Football Network ranks the offensive lines


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19 hours ago, stbugs said:

Who do you think will start in their place? They were signed to be starters. Who else do we have? Trent Scott, Daley, Little and the rookies, one undrafted and one 6th.

You can’t make the assumption that any of those guys are assumed to start over Erving and Elflein. That’s why we’ve been ranked low. A starting 5 of Erving, Elflein, Paradis, Miller and Moton is a bottom OL based on their 2019/2020 play.

We have to hope that the staff knows something.

At this point, we have to assume that Christensen will start somewhere on that line, even if the coaches haven't figured out where. Also, Miller and Moton held the right side down like bosses last year. Things aren't as bleak as PFF makes out.

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24 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

At this point, we have to assume that Christensen will start somewhere on that line, even if the coaches haven't figured out where. Also, Miller and Moton held the right side down like bosses last year. Things aren't as bleak as PFF makes out.

Miller was fine, he’s 100% upgradeable. Even Paradis was OK, but this (it’s not PFF although they were similar) is about the fact that we have 1 solid guy and 4 JAGs/below average guys.

I disagree that you can assume a rookie 3rd rounder will start. Hopefully, he will ball out and take a spot but you can’t assume he’ll win the job as a rookie 3rd rounder. Same with Erving and Elflein, their past is not good at all. Just like we hope Darnold will improve, the OL is Moton and a bunch of hope.

The other thing is that unless the rookies look good, our depth is paper thin. Moton has been an iron man and, knock on wood, he continues, but imagine if he or Paradis get knocked out for a long period. Not a good thought.

These preseason rankings aren’t that useful but like the PFF one, it’s not like we added Sewell or Orlando Brown to the OL. Saying we’re worse due to going from Okung to Erving isn’t a stretch. Reed as bad as he was, had a way higher PFF score than Elflein so for this article we got worse there too.

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2 hours ago, shaq said:

I honestly don’t understand how this years line is perceived as worse compared to last years. Bitcoin boy Okung played like 2 games and walked off with his money, are we really missing Chris Reed?? The depth on this line is awesome, this is by no means a special oline but I honestly would not be suprised to finish the end of the year around the 15-20th range.

well, when being compared to other teams....

you can certainly drop by simply remaining the same. 

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2 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

I can't imagine they aren't improved to some extent. They were better than expected and not awful last year

I thought they did fairly well last year.  I am actually not too worried about the Oline. We added a lot of depth in FA and some starting competition in the draft. I think they will be alright.

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3 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

There’s a difference between “didn’t invest” and “didn’t invest enough in my opinion”. What they said tells you they don’t even know that we drafted two OL, which undermines anything else they said if they don’t even know that. 

 

Rhule and Co., in 2 short years, have put together a Roster that is as good as we have seen in a long time. One that most fans can agree will challenge, and compete with almost everyone.

 

BUT...because the Oline isn't the bestest in the whole wide world. You have folks up in arms that things weren't done properly.

 

The building of this team is yet to be completed. Maybe we can wait until the process is complete, before we decide to burn the place down?

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8 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

I can't imagine they aren't improved to some extent. They were better than expected and not awful last year

They were better than expected but technically speaking according to just PFF scores, Erving and Elflein is a downgrade at both spots over Okung and Reed. You are going from 73 and 63 to 58 and 48. That’s going from good and ok to ok and bad.

I know there’s always optimism and hope but raw data wise we are a worse OL than last year. The other worrisome part is that we added some more guys with injury histories, but they haven’t been solid like Okung when healthy. We have to pray that the OL, especially Moton and Paradis, stay healthy.

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9 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

I thought they did fairly well last year.  I am actually not too worried about the Oline. We added a lot of depth in FA and some starting competition in the draft. I think they will be alright.

 

Maybe that Oline is not as stacked as folks would prefer. But 2 short years ago this team had little talent, and more holes than Swiss Cheese.

 

I have no fear that if Rhule and Co. continue to build as competently as they have to date. The Oline will be in a better place sooner than later.

 

My God people. This only Rhules 2nd year. His 1st with Fitt. Maybe, just maybe we can give them more time?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Rhule and Co., in 2 short years, have put together a Roster that is as good as we have seen in a long time. One that most fans can agree will challenge, and compete with almost everyone.

 

BUT...because the Oline isn't the bestest in the whole wide world. You have folks up in arms that things weren't done properly.

 

The building of this team is yet to be completed. Maybe we can wait until the process is complete, before we decide to burn the place down?

Lol. Dude, you are in a thread about the OL. Are we supposed to talk about something else? No one in here has said we don’t like Rhule and we don’t like Fitterer. We’ve only said that our preseason rankings are pretty much spot on. We did not invest heavily in OL like Tampa and NO have done pretty well at recently with Wirfs, McCoy, Ruiz and Ramzcyk. Doesn’t mean we aren’t excited about Horn, but we can be legitimately worried about the OL. It’s been a legit concern since 2017. Don’t be shocked if we invest heavily on OL in the next draft unless Christensen, Moore and Brown play way better than their draft slot and we actually extend Moton.

Stop worrying about Rhule and Co.’s feelings. We are in much better shape overall than still having Marty and Ron. It’s ok for us to be excited by the D and offensive weapons but also be a bit hesitant on the OL. I know I’m even cautiously optimistic about Darnold. 

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8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

They were better than expected but technically speaking according to just PFF scores, Erving and Elflein is a downgrade at both spots over Okung and Reed. You are going from 73 and 63 to 58 and 48. That’s going from good and ok to ok and bad.

I know there’s always optimism and hope but raw data wise we are a worse OL than last year. The other worrisome part is that we added some more guys with injury histories, but they haven’t been solid like Okung when healthy. We have to pray that the OL, especially Moton and Paradis, stay healthy.

 

Positions we upgraded over the OffSeason. DL, LB, CB, WR, RB, TE, and throw in QB, because Sam just has to be better than Teddy. We could also say moving Chinn to S upgrades them as well.

 

We also added 6 guys for the Oline.

 

That is an awful lot of talent in just 1 OffSeason. Maybe we can be grateful we have a competent staff in place for once. And be patient enough to let them finish building this team, before we go bonkers?

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21 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. Dude, you are in a thread about the OL. Are we supposed to talk about something else? No one in here has said we don’t like Rhule and we don’t like Fitterer. We’ve only said that our preseason rankings are pretty much spot on. We did not invest heavily in OL like Tampa and NO have done pretty well at recently with Wirfs, McCoy, Ruiz and Ramzcyk. Doesn’t mean we aren’t excited about Horn, but we can be legitimately worried about the OL. It’s been a legit concern since 2017. Don’t be shocked if we invest heavily on OL in the next draft unless Christensen, Moore and Brown play way better than their draft slot and we actually extend Moton.

Stop worrying about Rhule and Co.’s feelings. We are in much better shape overall than still having Marty and Ron. It’s ok for us to be excited by the D and offensive weapons but also be a bit hesitant on the OL. I know I’m even cautiously optimistic about Darnold. 

 

Yeah, I should have known asking for patience was to much to ask.

 

Yeah, waiting until we actually, you know, see these guys play in real games before we allow our angst to run amok was asking too much. Instead of focusing on what is good, let's just harp on what is perceived to be bad.

 

Ah, the Huddle. Where folks can harp and complain to their hearts content. But you ask for a little patience? Boom, out go the lights.

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22 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Positions we upgraded over the OffSeason. DL, LB, CB, WR, RB, TE, and throw in QB, because Sam just has to be better than Teddy. We could also say moving Chinn to S upgrades them as well.

 

We also added 6 guys for the Oline.

 

That is an awful lot of talent in just 1 OffSeason. Maybe we can be grateful we have a competent staff in place for once. And be patient enough to let them finish building this team, before we go bonkers?

Please turn your reading comprehension on next time. We are in a damn OL thread. My post was entirely about the OL and why the ranking is worse this year even though we played better than expected. The guys we added aren’t Wirfs, Orlando Brown, McCoy or Ramzcyk level talents.

Damn, you have a complex like people are insulting your ugly baby. We aren’t talking about the rest of the team and nobody’s going bonkers. Rhule and Fitterer don’t need your help. They’ve done fine so far but the OL still needs work. Marty dismantled the talent on this team with a horrific set of two drafts and throwing money away to try and compete. We’ve added a lot of talent and if you read my posts even when I wanted to tank, I was never expecting to compete until 2022 or so. 🤦‍♂️ 

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11 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Yeah, I should have known asking for patience was to much to ask.

 

Yeah, waiting until we actually, you know, see these guys play in real games before we allow our angst to run amok was asking too much. Instead of focusing on what is good, let's just harp on what is perceived to be bad.

 

Ah, the Huddle. Where folks can harp and complain to their hearts content. But you ask for a little patience? Boom, out go the lights.

You are a trip. It’s amazing that someone who only thinks they have a valid thought process is floored when people don’t agree.

The best part is we don’t give a crap about your attempt to make people better, which is pretty pathetic on an Internet message board but I digress. We are in a thread on the preseason ranking of the OL. Guess what, the discussion is going to be about that. WTF does patience and waiting until we see if the FAs play better than they ever had or seeing if 3rd and 6th round rookies play better than draft slots have to do with this thread? Nothing. You are just trying to project your pretty pompous opinions about stuff that’s not relevant. Good day sir. If you can’t handle opinions before the season and require patience maybe this isn’t the right place for you.

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22 hours ago, Captain Morgan said:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-in-the-nfl-ranked/

 

31) Carolina Panthers

When we look back at the 2021 NFL Draft in the coming years, the Carolina Panthers not addressing their offensive line could easily stand out as one of the more questionable decisions. While they retained Taylor Moton on the franchise tag at right tackle, Cameron Erving is set to start at left tackle. Erving’s 1.7% run stuff rate is among the bottom 10 for players who played more than 100 snaps in 2020.

An interior grouping of Matt Paradis, Pat Elflein, and John Miller does not give the line a huge boost. Paradis struggled in the run game with 14 blown blocks, tied for the third most. Meanwhile, Elflein’s blown block rate of 4% placed him as the seventh-worst interior offensive lineman in 2020.

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