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What They're Saying: Sam Darnold a breakout candidate


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6 minutes ago, frankw said:

Until Carolina's oline proves to actually be up to the task of adequate pass protection making something out of nothing is likely going to be the theme for the foreseeable future. We have one very good offensive tackle a suitable center for the time being and beyond that a hodgepodge of backups and rookies.

That's been the case for most of our history to be honest. We've always been all about investing heavily in D (particularly the front seven) while the league has been evolving toward high flying offense for most of our existence.

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1 hour ago, frankw said:

Until Carolina's oline proves to actually be up to the task of adequate pass protection making something out of nothing is likely going to be the theme for the foreseeable future. We have one very good offensive tackle a suitable center for the time being and beyond that a hodgepodge of backups and rookies.

Don't forget that our FA's are two of the lowest rated pff olinemen in the league and our  rookies are a 3rd rounder, 6th rounder and UDFA. 

So where do you think our oline will rank by the end of the year? 

 

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28 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Don't forget that our FA's are two of the lowest rated pff olinemen in the league and our  rookies are a 3rd rounder, 6th rounder and UDFA. 

So where do you think our oline will rank by the end of the year? 

 

Until we see something out of left tackle to get an idea of what we are working with I would say middle of the pack is best case scenario at the moment.

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4 hours ago, Toomers said:

So where do you place the 13.2M you still have to account for from Paradis and Reddick when their contracts void after the season. It’s the same thing as dead cap. And you can have any amount and a 15-19M cap hit stings. Especially for a team with one very good OL and no QB(in this scenario) 

Ah. I forget about those void years. I am guessing they just end up kicking the can on that like the Saints do. TBD.

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33 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Ah. I forget about those void years. I am guessing they just end up kicking the can on that like the Saints do. TBD.

 It’s the result of already kicking it down the road. It’s why Reddick has only a 2M cap hit this year. It has to be paid after this year. 

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5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 It’s the result of already kicking it down the road. It’s why Reddick has only a 2M cap hit this year. It has to be paid after this year. 

If we extend him that can just keeps getting kicked IIRC. Essentially what the Saints did with Brees forever.

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

If we extend him that can just keeps getting kicked IIRC. Essentially what the Saints did with Brees forever.

While possible, those aren’t two great candidates. And it never goes away. Think they want to give Paradis another contract and have his baggage? Reddick maybe, but the whole league had a shot at him and he got 6M after 12.5 sacks. You restructure good  players. Not Paradis. Not Shaq. These were borderline cut candidates and they tied themselves to them for longer instead of getting rid of them. 
 

   And the biggest thing is the team doing it needs to be in a “window” of contention. Not rebuilding. This is the time to think of the future. Well, last was but that got screwed up beyond belief. 

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2 hours ago, Toomers said:

While possible, those aren’t two great candidates. And it never goes away. Think they want to give Paradis another contract and have his baggage? Reddick maybe, but the whole league had a shot at him and he got 6M after 12.5 sacks. You restructure good  players. Not Paradis. Not Shaq. These were borderline cut candidates and they tied themselves to them for longer instead of getting rid of them. 
 

   And the biggest thing is the team doing it needs to be in a “window” of contention. Not rebuilding. This is the time to think of the future. Well, last was but that got screwed up beyond belief. 

The guys you are talking talking about are likely to be on the roster in 2022 so their dead money isn't really relevant at the moment. None of their void years are in 2022.

We appear to be modernizing our salary cap moves finally.

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3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

The guys you are talking talking about are likely to be on the roster in 2022 so their dead money isn't really relevant at the moment. None of their void years are in 2022.

We appear to be modernizing our salary cap moves finally.

Who? Paradis? Why would he get a new contract after not deserving the last one at 3 years younger. And putting it in a contract doesn’t make it go away. Both player contracts are done at the end of the season. That voids all those other years immediately. 
There is 13.2M that has to be accounted for and neither player is under contract next year. 

   How have they modernized anything? Or even changed? Still making the same mistakes as other front offices did here. An unnecessary 5th year option, signing two of the worst OL in the league to much too high contracts on the first day of FA. Restructure Shaq. 

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On 7/17/2021 at 1:49 PM, panthers55 said:

The biggest thing the Jets did to screw up Darnold is routinely expect him to carry the team and make plays that weren't there.  

He doesn't have to be great, he simply has to manage the offense and throw it downfield to loosen up the running game and underneath routes.

 

So a "game manager" is what Sam Darnold brings to the Panthers?

I thought it was "franchise QB" or bust?!?

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5 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

 

So a "game manager" is what Sam Darnold brings to the Panthers?

I thought it was "franchise QB" or bust?!?

 

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Many franchise QBs are game managers on good teams.  

Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr,...is his ceiling i guess

poor man's Matt Stafford 

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