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This isn't really naming elite players.  I see a lot of maybes and probablies - even in my own list!  Chinn has shown something but I'd like another season.  After that, none of the rest are elite and Horn hasn't seen the field.  But yeah I get you were being cute.

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4 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

 

I would be interested to see what your list would be? I get 7, or 8 depending on my mood.

Elite players on the Panthers? It’s CMC and Moton. That’s it.

Burns could get there quickly. Maybe Chinn, or Derrick Brown if he keeps improving. I hope Horn becomes elite given his NFL bloodline.

After those guys, I don’t think there’s anyone even in the conversation for “elite”.

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4 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Elite players on the Panthers? It’s CMC and Moton. That’s it.

Burns could get there quickly. Maybe Chinn, or Derrick Brown if he keeps improving. I hope Horn becomes elite given his NFL bloodline.

After those guys, I don’t think there’s anyone even in the conversation for “elite”.

 

Riddick had a great year last year. If he has another one this year, would that not be great? What about DJ? We have to count him. Arnold is a guy who has a chance at a big year. Not a lot of chatter around his name.But yeah, other than the kids we think have talent, that's pretty much it...for now.

 

 So...Elite-CMC, Moton, Burns, DJ

Maybe-Chinn, Brown, Horn, and maybe Riddick

 

Not bad, not great. But it is a pretty good start.

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7 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Riddick had a great year last year. If he has another one this year, would that not be great? What about DJ? We have to count him. Arnold is a guy who has a chance at a big year. Not a lot of chatter around his name.But yeah, other than the kids we think have talent, that's pretty much it...for now.

 

 So...Elite-CMC, Moton, Burns, DJ

Maybe-Chinn, Brown, Horn, and maybe Riddick

 

Not bad, not great. But it is a pretty good start.

We have crazy different definitions of an elite player. To me an elite player is someone who could be first or second team all-pro any given season. You’re just talking about players with potential at this point. Currently elite players on the team, it’s just CMC and Moton. 

Burns is not elite. Yet. He hasn’t even had a double digit sack season. But he’s clearly the closest player on the team to becoming an elite player. 

Horn, Brown, Chinn - all guys who are too early to say. Potential is there though.

DJ is not elite. He is a good WR. TD production lacking and that could be QB caused, but his numbers and impact is not elite.

Reddick? He has miles to go to be considered elite. He had most of his sacks in one game last season. He got let go from his previous team for a reason, because he’s wildly inconsistent. 

And you’re talking about Dan Arnold becoming an elite player? Cmon man. The rose colored homer glasses are just too much!

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3 hours ago, hepcat said:

We have crazy different definitions of an elite player. To me an elite player is someone who could be first or second team all-pro any given season. You’re just talking about players with potential at this point. Currently elite players on the team, it’s just CMC and Moton. 

Burns is not elite. Yet. He hasn’t even had a double digit sack season. But he’s clearly the closest player on the team to becoming an elite player. 

Horn, Brown, Chinn - all guys who are too early to say. Potential is there though.

DJ is not elite. He is a good WR. TD production lacking and that could be QB caused, but his numbers and impact is not elite.

Reddick? He has miles to go to be considered elite. He had most of his sacks in one game last season. He got let go from his previous team for a reason, because he’s wildly inconsistent. 

And you’re talking about Dan Arnold becoming an elite player? Cmon man. The rose colored homer glasses are just too much!

 

Did you actually read my list? Or did you just respond to the first paragraph?

 

And show me a fan without Rose Colored Glasses. And I'll show you a fan that has other interests. Every Die Hard Fan wears em. I mean, if you are a fan, and don't wear them? Why be a fan? 

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1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Did you actually read my list? Or did you just respond to the first paragraph?

 

And show me a fan without Rose Colored Glasses. And I'll show you a fan that has other interests. Every Die Hard Fan wears em. I mean, if you are a fan, and don't wear them? Why be a fan? 

Yes I read your post…You responded to my post asking what other players on the team I consider elite, I told you. There’s CMC and Moton. You mentioned a bunch of average to good players. I responded saying why they clearly aren’t elite players. 

You don’t need to be wildly over-optimistic to be a true fan. I’m just being real. The team just re-signed the only other elite player on this team than CMC and for that I am happy. Keeping elite talent is how you win games. 

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47 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Yes I read your post…You responded to my post asking what other players on the team I consider elite, I told you. There’s CMC and Moton. You mentioned a bunch of average to good players. I responded saying why they clearly aren’t elite players. 

You don’t need to be wildly over-optimistic to be a true fan. I’m just being real. The team just re-signed the only other elite player on this team than CMC and for that I am happy. Keeping elite talent is how you win games. 

 

Oh, I get it now. Because I wear Rose Colored Homer Glasses, I can't be right? But because you keep it real, you are right?

 

PFF has Burns @19, and 1 of the top Edge Rusher under 25. But that's not Elite? 

 

DJ has back to back 1200 yd seasons, with 5 different QBs. But that's not Elite? 

 

If keeping it real, means you can undervalue our players, I'll pass  But I am going to continue to give credit where credit is due.

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Elite is a big term to throw around. DJ can become it, but he certainly is not an elite wr yet. Cmc and Moton are elite. Burns is fringe and I think cements himself as elite this year. Chinn and Brown have the potential. 

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24 minutes ago, PantherKyle said:

Elite is a big term to throw around. DJ can become it, but he certainly is not an elite wr yet. Cmc and Moton are elite. Burns is fringe and I think cements himself as elite this year. Chinn and Brown have the potential. 

 

The same DJ Moore who has 3200yds in his first 3 years? Back to Back 1200 yd seasons, with 5 different QBs. That DJ Moore? Seems Elite to me. But it's your opinion, so there you go.

 

My point was more about the fact that we have 7-8 really talented kids. With more on the way. This team is trending upwards. And I just wish more folks could be as excited as I, and my fellow Sunshine Squad members are.

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7 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

And show me a fan without Rose Colored Glasses. And I'll show you a fan that has other interests. Every Die Hard Fan wears em. I mean, if you are a fan, and don't wear them? Why be a fan?

This is why it’s sometimes hard having conversations with people on here. I love the enthusiasm but this comment leads me to believe when discussing the panthers ur views are more biased than objective. Nobody is gunna take yours or anybody else’s fan card for being objective.

I’ll say this for the 1000th time. DJ is currently not elite and outside of this fanbase, I’d bet 99% agree. Doesn’t mean he can’t get there. But his stats don’t equate to difference maker.

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12 minutes ago, Reebis21 said:

This is why it’s sometimes hard having conversations with people on here. I love the enthusiasm but this comment leads me to believe when discussing the panthers ur views are more biased than objective. Nobody is gunna take yours or anybody else’s fan card for being objective.

I’ll say this for the 1000th time. DJ is currently not elite and outside of this fanbase, I’d bet 99% agree. Doesn’t mean he can’t get there. But his stats don’t equate to difference maker.

 

I get what you are saying. But I was responding to someone who told me to take my Rose Colored Homer Glasses off. 

 

As to Moore? What else does he have to do for you to give him the credit he deserves?

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13 hours ago, Luciu5 said:

Get a Pro Bowl or All Pro.

Agreed. Davante Adam’s is elite right now. He had 18 TDs last year. DJ has 10 TDs in 3 years and has not even gotten to the 1200 yard plateau. A career year of 1193 and 4 is not elite. Benjamin had 1008 and 9 his rookie year. On the considered elite guys, Hopkins had 1521 and 11 in year 3 so you can get to elite in year 3, but usually it’s after that.

He’s had a great start to his career but he’s not elite yet and stating that he isn’t elite yet doesn’t mean you aren’t a Panther fan, you don’t like him or don’t think he could be elite in a few years. It just means that you get that being elite means more than you did well (not great) with mediocre QBs. A 10 TD season and he’s likely in the pro-bowl/all-pro and could be labeled elite.

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17 hours ago, PantherKyle said:

Elite is a big term to throw around. DJ can become it, but he certainly is not an elite wr yet. Cmc and Moton are elite. Burns is fringe and I think cements himself as elite this year. Chinn and Brown have the potential. 

Not trying to single you out in this but speaking in general it is tiring how folks will dump on one player and prop up others. Even if DJ Moore isn't elite he is quite good. Just because the Panthers have given #22 the most touches in the whole damn league so he could get his 1k/1k season doesn't mean Moore isn't being held back by poor passing. If we can actually get the ball to him who knows what his ceiling is.

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