Moton signed to 4 year, $72M deal

[MasterAwesome]

15 hours ago, Luciu5 said:

Get a Pro Bowl or All Pro.

Moton has had neither and yet no one in this thread has seemed to object to him as an “elite” player. So perhaps it’s a bit more nuanced than that.

I like how Huddlers on the one hand blast Teddy Bridgewater for his conservative style, how he routinely failed to even attempt to throw the ball in the end zone, has never had more than 15 TDs a season, etc. and then criticize DJ for his lack of TDs as if one has no bearing on the other. And then to previously criticize Teddy, they constantly talk about how DJ had to routinely adjust and contort his body to make miraculous catches and that’s the only reason Teddy even had respectable passing yardage. But when it comes to whether DJ is elite? Psh…nah none of that matters, only what that TD number says on the stat sheet.
 

I truly don’t understand the selective nuance that is applied on the Huddle. There’s no rhyme or reason to it.

[MHS831]

The secret to keeping your core is not paying them, it is hitting in the draft.  For example, if you can get 2 starters each year, and 2 players develop into starters after the first year, then you always should have about 10-12 starters on rookie deals.  If half your staring roster is on a rookie deal, the other half is much easier to manage.  I would estimate that of the 11 or so players on second or third contracts, only about 5 should be on elite-level contracts.  In our case, that will be (2022's crystal ball):

• CMC
• Darnold (hopefully)
• Moton
• Burns
• Moore

That is a bit offensive (pun), but we have a young defense. Some players will be ending big deals and should be shown the door as well--tough calls to make--Shaq comes to mind.  However, do not forget that we still have some big dead money debt.

[frankw]

34 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Saying he’s not elite is not dumping on someone like you just did. CMC did something only two other RBs have done (each only once) I’m NFL history, yet you are actually trying to insinuate that he did it only because he had a lot of touches. Pretty much every analyst would say CMC is elite and many would say he’s the best RB, period. DJ isn’t thought of the same way, doesn’t mean we aren’t ecstatic to have him on the Panthers and it doesn’t mean he won’t achieve that level with a better QB. All that said, you are the only person dumping on anyone which is ironic given that’s what you said you don’t like.

CMC fanboys are the new Cam stans. My guy you can sit around lusting over your boys individual accolades but that poo ain't getting us out of the basement no matter how many touches we give him. The best offenses in the league have a dynamic duo of qb and receiver. Sam and DJ (hell Robby too) need to form a solid bond and I think bright things could be ahead despite how much folks like yourself want to make it about one player instead of the team.

Edited July 18, 2021 by frankw

[SizzleBuzz]

9 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Elite is a subjective term

Is it top 3, top 5, top 10% at their position.

"Elite" in the NFL is defined by top 5%...

...or put another way, top-2.

CMC is only one even sniffing it...

[ForJimmy]

7 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

"Elite" in the NFL is defined by top 5%...

...or put another way, top-2.

CMC is only one even sniffing it...

Too many variables. So the elite QBs are Brady and Mahomes? This makes Russ and Rodgers not elite? One was just the MVP of the league…

[SizzleBuzz]

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

So the elite QBs are Brady and Mahomes?

Yes.

One or both of them have been in every one of the last 5 Super Bowls and won 4 of them.

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

This makes Russ and Rodgers not elite?

Correct.

Neither has appeared in a Super Bowl since before President Trump was elected.

[Luciu5]

4 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Too many variables. So the elite QBs are Brady and Mahomes? This makes Russ and Rodgers not elite? One was just the MVP of the league…

Elite is just an awful measuring stick.  It's a very subjective word.  Pro Bowler, league MVP, DPOY/OPOY....to me those are the elite players.  The ones out there winning accolades for their play.

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Yes.

One or both of them have been in every one of the last 5 Super Bowls and won 4 of them.

Correct.

Neither has appeared in a Super Bowl since before President Trump was elected.

So the league MVP isn’t elite. Got it. Super Bowl appearances are what makes them elite? So would Henry not be an elite RB since his team never made the Super Bowl?

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, Luciu5 said:

Elite is just an awful measuring stick.  It's a very subjective word.  Pro Bowler, league MVP, DPOY/OPOY....to me those are the elite players.  The ones out there winning accolades for their play.

I think I agree with this much more than the top 2 at their position.

[SizzleBuzz]

11 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

So the league MVP isn’t elite. Got it.

Super Bowl appearances are what makes them elite?

No.

Yes.

You asked about Brady and Mahomes --- asked & answered.

[SBBlue]

[AU-panther]

On 7/18/2021 at 11:04 PM, SizzleBuzz said:

"Elite" in the NFL is defined by top 5%...

...or put another way, top-2.

CMC is only one even sniffing it...

5% is too strict.

CMC, Cook, Kamara, Chubb, Elliot when healthy? Barkley his rookie year?

Fans want to get too exact with rankings.  All or most of those guys are top tier talents who will command top tier pay when free agents.

Arguments trying to slot top players are what fans do on fan sites.  Contract negotiations don't work exactly like that.

 

 

 

[Michael G]

10 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Fans want to get too exact with rankings.  All or most of those guys are top tier talents who will command top tier pay when free agents.

Agreed--Its always the next guy up who gets paid. lots of high level guys get "top pay" when its time for them to resign. Their agents present them as the best in the league and if teams don't pay them like they are the best-then what's that say about how the team feels about the player?

[SizzleBuzz]

13 hours ago, Michael G said:

Agreed--Its always the next guy up who gets paid. lots of high level guys get "top pay" when its time for them to resign.

True with Dak...

...not so with Moton. 

13 hours ago, Michael G said:

Their agents present them as the best in the league and if teams don't pay them like they are the best-then what's that say about how the team feels about the player?

What does it say about Moton?