The Athletic not very impressed with Sam Darnold

[KillerKat]

23 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

You just making up stuff trying to prove a point.

 

Every single throw outside of the Arnold, Zylstra and Mccaffrey (checkdown) was his first read, you can tell be where his head is focus from the snap.

This is some of the dumbest sh!t I've read on the huddle.

[mc52beast]

Sounds pretty fair. Dude has played pretty well in two games, let’s see how he does against better competition and over a long stretch of games.

[GoobyPls]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

That isn't a hot read which is what you go to when the defense blitzes. That is presnap manipulating the defense  getting the right matchup for example Christian on a linebacker by audiblizing. So Darnold knows where he is going to go and waits for Chrstian to clear. That is very different from what you imply which is that he is staring down down receivers giving the defense time to cover. Why in the world would you look deep when you know the coverage is swung that way and you have a miss match. As for throwing into a tight window that criticism only applies if he tries to squeeze a ball in while another guy is left wide open and he totally misses it. With the lack of receiver quality the Jets had and the porous line I bet many of Darnolds throw the last several years had to be in tight windows. That is all he had.

A hot read is the first read, Mccaffrey movement is part of the play, there was no audible called, Brady like Payton use pre designed movement to throw off defenses or to clear space for the hot read.

 

who saying he should look deep? And who is criticizing for throwing into tight windows? I said you can tell by his head movements he is throwing to his first read a lot and that’s why the coaches want him to do. So even though it won’t lead to a lot yac it’s the safer play. You can tell just by our second half adjustment and the type of offense we are using the coaches are trying to minimize Darnold recklessness. The defense has allowed the offense not to be put in a tougher situation where it has forced Darnold to carry it.

[panthers55]

Just now, GoobyPls said:

A hot read is the first read, Mccaffrey movement is part of the play, there was no audible called, Brady like Payton use pre designed movement to throw off defenses or to clear space for the hot read.

 

who saying he should look deep? And who is criticizing for throwing into tight windows? I said you can tell by his head movements he is throwing to his first read a lot and that’s why the coaches want him to do. So even though it won’t lead to a lot yac it’s the safer play. You can tell just by our second half adjustment and the type of offense we are using the coaches are trying to minimize Darnold recklessness. The defense has allowed the offense not to be put in a tougher situation where it has forced Darnold to carry it.

 Different teams may use the term for different things but a hot read is usually a pre-designed play to a receiver to avoid a blitz. Often the receiver sits down in the area just vacated by the Blitzer. It is something the receiver and quarterback already have worked out based on what the film says about the defense tendencies based on down and distance and how the defense lines up. So there isn't an audible needed.  You seem to be confusing the term hot read receiver and primary receiver who is the guy you scheme the play for.

https://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/hot-receiver.aspx#:~:text=The hot receiver is a,coming (a hot read).

 

[glenwo2]

4 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

You just making up stuff trying to prove a point.

 

Every single throw outside of the Arnold, Zylstra and Mccaffrey (checkdown) was his first read, you can tell be where his head is focus from the snap.

He basically went back and looked at every single play from that vid you provided and proved you wrong, yet you are going to stick your head in the sand and still claim it's a first read? 

Edited September 23, 2021 by glenwo2

[WOW!!]

On 9/20/2021 at 12:03 PM, Khaki Lackey said:

They're not wrong. It is too early to crown him a franchise QB. But, he's exceeded my expectations so far.

Same... I've seen glimpses of elite arm talent.. Just need to keep his head together..

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, glenwo2 said:

He basically went back and looked at every single play from that vid you provided and proved you wrong, yet you are going to stick your head in the sand and still claim it's a first read? 

I went back and pointed every single throw already.

[glenwo2]

9 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

I went back and pointed every single throw already.

Then it seems you and him were watching two totally different games.

[GoobyPls]

28 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

Then it seems you and him were watching two totally different games.

Thus him making up sh*t. You can watch the highlights yourself 

[OldhamA]

9 hours ago, panthers55 said:

This offense and Darnolds adjustments are designed to create mismatches for specific guys on specific plays. So Darnold tracking a receiver he knows is in a favorable matchup is smart and what QBs do. If that isn't available then he goes down the progressions if he has time or dumps it off. 

Given he is getting the ball out in about 2.5 seconds how many progressions should he cover especially when he knows who is going to be open most times??

 

The offence is actually designed around pre-snap reads.

Brady has made it really simple for Darnold:

 

 

[bythenbrs]

On 9/20/2021 at 12:29 PM, CanePantherHornet said:

Sean Ryan has done an excellent job helping him grow. His next big step should be deep ball accuracy. If he can get a bit better in that category the sky is the limit.

People keep mentioning Brady but few or none have mentioned Sean Ryan’s name and contribution to Sam’s success thus far.  Brady gets credit for scheme and play calling but it is Ryan who is in Sam’s ear and head between each offensive series.

Sean Ryan, the QB whisperer…

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Cause it hard to win it all with Alex Smith as your QB, everything needs to be near perfect. And that’s why the chiefs moved on. Take someone like Tannehill (many hope Darnold turns into) who is more talented than Smith, if you look all the Titans lost in the regular season or playoffs they always have one thing in common defenses shutdown Henry and force Tannehill to beat them. He can’t 

 

You could win it all with a Alex Smith, but it will take a Herculean effort by the entire team. 

Fine but you can build a championship caliber team that is just one piece away and improve that position.

I would rather have Kansas City's sustained success level than what we did with our franchise QB.

 

[bythenbrs]

On 9/20/2021 at 8:12 PM, 1of10Charnatives said:

Sir, I just have to say I admire how your hatred cannot be distracted, forborn, or muted by little things like relevance to the thread and topic at hand.

Pie for ‘forborn’, a word I have not seen used here at the Huddle previously.  I salute you, sir!

[bythenbrs]

On 9/20/2021 at 8:48 PM, GoobyPls said:

… you can see he’s barely throwing to his second read, and that’s the way the coaches wanted. 

How dastardly evil of him to execute the play the way it was drawn up.  If he was a better QB, he would improvise instead, right?