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Cam Erving vs Other 2021 Free Agents


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2 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Jason Peters    39 yo  1.8M   1year    PFF 73  Penalties:1  Sacks: 3

Looks like Peters is kicking ass, especially for a 39 year old lineman.  The dude was drafted in 2004.  He's allowed 2 more sacks than Cam on 20 fewer snaps, but PFF loves him.


 

I think it’s because the entire Browns line kicked the Bears lines ass for an entire 60 minutes of football and outside of that one game he’s had highlight reel blocks in all of the other games. Not bad for a dude who is 39 and was fishing the week he got called as an emergency signing to replace the Bears rookie Tackle who’s out for the year. 
 

I appreciate you taking the time to reply back with the data. 

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1 hour ago, BlitzMonster said:

I also don't think it's going to be that horrible to fix the OL next year. 

With a 1st round pick at interior OL (G/C) we could get a very good rookie.  Top interior linemen usually go starting in rounds 2 or 3.  Guards and Centers selected in the first round are often exceptional prospects.

That's what I'm saying. Moton is set at RT. Armstead and Williams fix the left side of the line. A first round rookie Center preferably and maybe Deonte Brown develops and the line is fixed and set for the next 4 years in one offseason.

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8 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

He definitely seems to be playing decent when I watch. I kind of wonder how many pressures he would give up if our interior was better. If the defense is getting through the middle instantly and getting sacks/pressures that is less opportunity for the tackles to give up a sack. It’s like being an average CB, but the other CB is awful and his guy is wide open so they never throw to the average CB’s man giving him good stats. This may all be considered in PFF already? 

Nope, wrong thinking.

When there is interior pressure, it makes it MORE likely a tackle will give up a sack or pressure.  The QB cannot step up to allow the tackle to ride his man upfield past the QB.  Or even worse, the QB has to take an extra yard back in his drop to account for it.

Offensive line play starts in the middle, if that part is bad, your overall line is bad.  You can't hide it.

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Good left tackles typically don't hit free agency.  That is why almost any OT signing that happens in free agency, is usually an "overpay".  Our contract to Matt Kalil was horrible because Kalil was a horrible player, but his contract lined up with what a lot of average OTs (like Nate Solder) were getting.

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14 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

At this point it seems Cameron Erving is the least of our worries. The interior specifically the two OG spots have been horrific.  

Exactly, Cam isn't very good, but he's better than the 3 people standing to his right.

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I love when people just start saying to swap O-line players all over the place like they are a set currency. 

It doesn't work that way. Moton looked WAY worse on the left than the right. And Erving has honestly been playing fine when he's on the field (probably 2nd best behind Moton). I would like to see Brady at LT at some point if Erving can't go though. 

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7 minutes ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

I love when people just start saying to swap O-line players all over the place like they are a set currency. 

It doesn't work that way. Moton looked WAY worse on the left than the right. And Erving has honestly been playing fine when he's on the field (probably 2nd best behind Moton). I would like to see Brady at LT at some point if Erving can't go though. 

Yeah, I think Brady could eventually be a good LT.  This  short arm crap is NOT supported by the data.  Meyer and Rhule are wrong on this one.  I know it's pff but:

Does Arm Length Affect OT Play? | PFF News & Analysis | PFF

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1 minute ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Great read of your research. Our o-line could be better, although I don't think it's happening this year. My 1st priority would be trying to replace Paradis with a Kalil like player...

Hey thanks.  The line will look better when starters return and Brady/Wrs/Sam get the time to throw down.  It will be mediocre, but that is better than what we have seen the last 3 games.

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3 hours ago, 4Corners said:

Talking about football here chief not army 

Listen Comrad you don’t like him because he loves this country but that’s your right to think what you want .I doubt the Ravens and John Harbaugh would bring him into their locker room if he was a bad teammate .

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17 hours ago, SBBlue said:

I thought I would grab the most expensive left tackle free agents and grab data to see how the signings compare so far.   It includes their current PFF for whatever it is worth.

 2021 NFL Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac

Trent Williams                     32 yo  138M  6 years  PFF: 93 Penalties:2   Sacks: 0  
Alejandro Villanueva           32 yo  14M    2 years  PFF:58  Penalties: 2  Sacks: 4
Cam Erving                          28 yo  10M    2 years  PFF:53  Penalties: 3  Sacks: 1
Eric Fisher (torn Achilles)   30 yo   8.3M  1 year    PFF:47  Penalties: 3  Sacks: 4
Riley Reiff                            32 yo   7.5M   1 year    PFF 65  Penalties: 0  Sacks: 2
Kendall Lamm *                   28yo     6.8M  2year     PFF 37  Penalties: 2 Sacks: 1
Joe Haeg*                           28 yo   4.6M   2year    PFF 66  Penatlties:0  Sacks: 1

          *Lamm has only played 13 snaps due to injury this year
          *Haeg has only played 93 snaps .
 

This is why drafting an OT was imperative 

The Panthers drafted a CB and while he might turn out to be the greatest CB in the NFL, he isn’t a LT that does support the most important position on the field 

we passed on Slater who is doing just fine protecting Herbert 

…even with his short arms 

Most important position on the field, QB 

second most important LT

apparently, just based on what has occurred a decision was made to develop a strong defense first and then go offense 

you want to know why Stafford didn’t want to be here. Look at the line   Why would he after years of getting the poo beat out of him in Detroit 

the reason I am concerned about Rhule is Oline and QB.  He seems to think he can put athletic tape on mediocre players,  coach them up and send them out and viola, a team is born 

it was the third RD before he bother to draft oline 

we best hope CMC is back out there or this season is over as he makes up for a lot of flaws with quickness ie covers for sam’s decision making, the oline flaws etc

going into the team store Monday was sad. 75% CMC, 22% the soccer team and 3% Darnold and a player to be named later 

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16 hours ago, BlackPanther21_ said:

 

How about:

Christensen-Erving-Elflein-Brown-Moton

 

How about:

Slater-Christensen-Elflein-Brown-Moton?

Too bad for all that the front office wasn't smart enough to recognize the teams greatest need, fixing the OL!

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