Steve Smith said the reason for the drops was cause they were hospital balls, Chris Simms also eluded to it.

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Nobody is saying he's Jake or Cam right now.

But with a good line he could at least be Stevie B good or do you not think so?

No, I don't think so. I loved Beuerlein. He is a far better QB with far less talent than Sam Darnold. I think with a good line he would still struggle because it isn't pressure, it's processing. My God, look at all the write ups from last year about his time with the Jets and how he actually struggled more in a clean pocket than with pressure. 

That's probably because he is being forced to throw the ball instead of just sitting back there and struggling to decide what to do. Look at the tape, he literally does that constantly.

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

What other choice do we have? It's either hope his crappy play changes or tune out for the rest of the season. No one is going come off the bench to save us.

Better put your big boy pants on if you are going to follow this team. Or you can take your toys and go home. The rest of us faithful will see you in the offseason. 

I have no idea what logical leap you are making. I fully expected to watch Sam struggle all season, so this is not even remotely surprising to me. Nor am I one of these guys that wants to see PJ do the same thing as Sam. 

We are stuck with him until he gets injured or the season ends. It just is what it is. 

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Who has excluded Sam?  That's in your head my friend. 

It is 100% not. Feel free to peruse the dozens of threads where you have his defenders out in full force blaming everyone in the world for the struggling but him. Feel free, they aren't hard to find. 

[Snake]

I knew someone was going to figure out a way to lay blame on Darnald for this like he wasn't throwing the same ball in the 3 weeks we were winning. 

[Catsfan69]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

No, I don't think so. I loved Beuerlein. He is a far better QB with far less talent than Sam Darnold. I think with a good line he would still struggle because it isn't pressure, it's processing. My God, look at all the write ups from last year about his time with the Jets and how he actually struggled more in a clean pocket than with pressure. 

That's probably because he is being forced to throw the ball instead of just sitting back there and struggling to decide what to do. Look at the tape, he literally does that constantly.

I'd like to give him 3 total years honestly. 

I'm tired of dumping guys immediately. 

I'd really like to see him with an average offensive line and a professional Coordinator. 

I really think Brady and Snow are being figured out.

This isn't college where the other coaches might have you figured but the kids make mistakes. 

This is where the players AND coaches can see what you are doing.

 

Laugh all you want at this statement. I never wanted to get rid of  Taylor Heinicke. I thought he was a playmaker.

[frankw]

All along I figured even if Sam would turn the ball over at a moderate or high rate he would still have the arm talent to make this offense watchable and keep defenses honest with the deep ball. That was the biggest part of convincing ourselves into the acquisition. But other than the final drive he did virtually nothing for 3 quarters and it wasn't much better against Philly. Losing to Jalen Hurts and his 37.1 QBR at home is abysmal.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

It is 100% not. Feel free to peruse the dozens of threads where you have his defenders out in full force blaming everyone in the world for the struggling but him. Feel free, they aren't hard to find. 

I don't need to, it was you claim. I have not seen any Sam "defenders" in any post I've read. But I have a lot of idiots on ignore so maybe you are reading those.  

Not a single person can defend his play so far. I certainly am not.  What set me off was the blaming of him for everything that went wrong, especially the drops.  What's fair is fair and the only reason we had a chance to win yesterday was the play of the Sam the shitty qb that contributed to the situation we found ourselves in the first place. 

 

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I'd like to give him 3 total years honestly. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Catsfan69 said:

I'd like to give him 3 total years honestly. 

I'm tired of dumping guys immediately. 

I'd really like to see him with an average offensive line and a professional Coordinator. 

I really think Brady and Snow are being figured out.

This isn't college where the other coaches might have you figured but the kids make mistakes. 

This is where the players AND coaches can see what you are doing.

 

Laugh all you want at this statement. I never wanted to get rid of  Taylor Heinicke. I thought he was a playmaker.

I do not want to give him three years. Four years of this is enough for me to see what he is. As I said before the season, there is little to no history of these bust QB reclaimation projects panning out because they usually were busts for obvious reasons. Darnold is no different. 

I wish we had not made the extremely foolish decision to put a bottom 5 OL in front of him. I think he would have still failed but I don't think it would have been this dramatic and even if he was failing, we might have had a dominant running attack to carry the load. 

I don't have big qualms with Snow, he's been a legit surprise. I think our biggest issue on defense is the amount of players we have out with injury. It's actually been pretty insane they have been this good as many guys as we have lost to injuries on that side of the ball.

Brady.....well.....I agree. I know he is getting dealt a bad hand(again) with a bad QB and bad OL for a second straight year but that doesn't account for the repetitive playcalling and head scratching calls. I think he jumped too quickly up the ranks. Probably should have cut his teeth as an actual OC in college for a while.

Heinicke is a nice story and might be a low end starter in the NFL. I'd love to have him back now, that's for sure.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I don't need to, it was you claim. I have not seen any Sam "defenders" in any post I've read. But I have a lot of idiots on ignore so maybe you are reading those.  

Not a single person can defend his play so far. I certainly am not.  What set me off was the blaming of him for everything that went wrong, especially the drops.  What's fair is fair and the only reason we had a chance to win yesterday was the play of the Sam the shitty qb that contributed to the situation we found ourselves in the first place. 

 

Yeah, I suspect it is a lot of your ignore list because they pop up in just about every WR/QB/OC thread. At least the contingent is getting smaller.

He isn't to blame for the drops. The hospital balls(he threw two) he is to blame for. But, that goes back to his processing difficulties. He isn't to blame for the shitty blocking. He isn't to blame for the shitty playcalling.

But, he is still the second biggest issue on that side of the ball.

[Catsfan69]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I do not want to give him three years. Four years of this is enough for me to see what he is. As I said before the season, there is little to no history of these bust QB reclaimation projects panning out because they usually were busts for obvious reasons. Darnold is no different. 

I wish we had not made the extremely foolish decision to put a bottom 5 OL in front of him. I think he would have still failed but I don't think it would have been this dramatic and even if he was failing, we might have had a dominant running attack to carry the load. 

I don't have big qualms with Snow, he's been a legit surprise. I think our biggest issue on defense is the amount of players we have out with injury. It's actually been pretty insane they have been this good as many guys as we have lost to injuries on that side of the ball.

Brady.....well.....I agree. I know he is getting dealt a bad hand(again) with a bad QB and bad OL for a second straight year but that doesn't account for the repetitive playcalling and head scratching calls. I think he jumped too quickly up the ranks. Probably should have cut his teeth as an actual OC in college for a while.

Heinicke is a nice story and might be a low end starter in the NFL. I'd love to have him back now, that's for sure.

I just don’t see anyone worth a damn in the college ranks right now.

I think Howell and Rattler are busts.

I see no other solution. 

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I just don’t see anyone worth a damn in the college ranks right now.

I think Howell and Rattler are busts.

I see no other solution. 

I don't think we need to try and get a QB from this 2022 crop. We have precious little draft resources left and our OL needs are critical and much easier to hit on than a QB. 

Perhaps a FA QB would be available that is an improvement from Darnold. I'm all for that route, as well. Preferably a solid veteran and not a reclaimation bust.

Edited October 19, 2021 by kungfoodude

[Mother Grabber]

42 minutes ago, TheCuddle said:

Clearly I did, you're post is hypocrisy at it's finest like there's still hope...maybe he can...

No the hell he can't... simple. Sam will not 

he’s only has 6 games in the system, so it’s too early to say where is ceiling

after 4 years in the NFL...or look at his college days or HS days....same Turnover Machine with One Highlight Reel Waiting to happen...

hypocrisy? lol

[Monrowed]

54 minutes ago, frankw said:

Sam Darnold has a worse QBR than both Mac Jones and Daniel Jones. These people just cant be reasoned with if they still aren't seeing it.

QBR doesn’t include drops by the receivers. We have three receivers in the top ten of all players that have the most drops. 
 

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232