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5 major factors blame for loss. Cat Crave


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1 minute ago, stbugs said:

DJ played awful. The TD he gave up to Carter was just him getting fooled by the route and losing the WR. It’s not speed that gets him it’s that he’s not good at reading the WR and being there. He gets fooled a lot and uses his speed to catch up. McLaurin is fast enough that Donte only caught up to make tackles. The Carter TD was a perfect example of Donte’s problems over his entire career. He loses guys and they get big gains. He’s had a much better year this year than the rest but we’ve played 3 teams with elite WRs and they’ve scored 34, 34 and 27 against us. Sure, Atlanta where Gilmore is on Pitts and no Ridley or the Jets (Davis did have 2 TDs) or Houston or NE or Giants or NO without Thomas or Arizona with McCoy and no Hopkins or Philly are games where DBs should look good.

I really hope we let him go for a comp pick because anyone who pays a ton for Donte is going to regret it.

I’m not arguing he played well.  Obviously that didn’t happen.

What I’m suggesting is maybe our illustrious coaching staff didn’t need to put DJ on Terry 1v1?

And when they doubled Terry they used Shaq and Chinn?

If they picked on DJ it’s because Rivera knew of a weakness that our staff is apparently oblivious to because they never figured it out.

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16 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Unfortunately, I think we overestimate our talent. To most in here Brown and Burns are studs (Donte before Sunday), but are they? Every good game the D has played (less than 20 given up) has been when they were staked with a minimum of a 16-0 lead or they played the woeful Texans with Davis Mills or Falcons without Julio and Ridley. Other than that we’ve give up an average of 28 points per game in 6 losses but hey it’s been to legendary QBs like Daniel and Mack Jones, Heinecke and Hurts, guys that you’d expect would be able to easily dissect our D.

We as fans tend to overrate our own guys and man did some of our studs on D really disappoint this week. 

No I’m thinking of Moore and CMC   they are both blue chip players, not drafted by Rhule   I don’t see any blue chip players drafted by Rhule. Horn may be but who knows   Brady might be a steal but who knows 
 

Honestly on defense, it’s a struggle outside of Gilmore and Reddick. More and more, Burns is a one trick pony. As for Shaq, this last week, I think it had  more to do with Snow’s schemes than anything else. Brown is forgettable 

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30 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

It's like Rhule and Co. are a bunch of guys that watched a couple of house flipping shows on DIY Network and said, "Look, this can't be hard, let's do it!".

Now they're stuck in a collapsing house with leaky plumbing, the wallpaper peeling off the walls, shingles put on the roof upside down and mismatched windows. They just keep running up a materials bill and failing to pass inspections.

It's time to pack it in and call in some professionals.

I would vote for Byron Leftwich  here.  He is young. Learned a lot from Arians I’m sure

Would bring a good staff 

has played and coached the game   I’m sick of the Baylor show 

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14 hours ago, Cookie Lyon said:

Randy Moss and big ass head Booger blamed Cam on the MNF pregame show.

I guess Cam plays defense as well according to those idiots.

Anyone who thinks Cam was at fault isn't paying attention man.

We had four drives in the first three quarters against Washington that did not end in points:

1.  (First quarter) Fumbled snap / bad snap.  Not sure what they were trying to do here, whether it was supposed to be a direct snap to CMC or a snap to Cam and hand to CMC.  It looked bad, but in no way can Cam take the blame for that.

2.  (First quarter) We had a 2nd and 2, which turned into a 2nd and 7 because of a false start, putting us behind the sticks.  Not sure how you blame Cam for that one either.

3.  (Second quarter) This one was on Cam, 100%.  He had Robby wide open on a shallow under for a first down but pushed it further down to DJ instead and it was broken up.  100%, a poor decision.

4.  (Third quarter)  This was probably not on Cam.  He was trying to get it to DJ who had sat down in a void, but the pass was deflected by a LB.  Not sure if Tremble ran the wrong route or whether the design was bad, but Tremble led the LB directly to the point where he could deflect it.  Coverage wasn't terrible, but without the underneath LB, this play may have worked.

 

Even if you believe that going for it on fourth at our own 32 was the right call, and you allow that we got the ball back with a chance to win, that final sequence was awful play calling.  3rd and 2 and the WTF 48 with 1:16 left?  Come on man, THAT is the perfect read option situation right there.  That crap we called was just awful man.  Nobody was open, and Cam tried to force it in.  Then we take the sack on 4th down because, oh yea, nobody was open.

Man, you gotta just get the 1st down.  You have the most dynamic short yardage player in the league taking snaps.  And we still can't get two yards in two plays?  Come on man.  That's not on Cam.  No way.

  

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47 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

No I’m thinking of Moore and CMC   they are both blue chip players, not drafted by Rhule   I don’t see any blue chip players drafted by Rhule. Horn may be but who knows   Brady might be a steal but who knows 
 

Honestly on defense, it’s a struggle outside of Gilmore and Reddick. More and more, Burns is a one trick pony. As for Shaq, this last week, I think it had  more to do with Snow’s schemes than anything else. Brown is forgettable 

I agree. I was saying earlier in the year that our 2021 draft that we all liked and was really hyped by many in here was starting to look a bit more meh. Yes, lots of guys who are contributing a bit but are Tremble, Hubbard, Marshall, BC, Brown, etc. look more like average players or backups, not step up and be special guys. 

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All this crap about Cam being brought in to sell tickets is just noise.  Because of PSL's, the tickets are already sold.  The Panthers don't get any extra money from ticket resales.  They do sell some extra concessions of course, but given there were only three home games left when we resigned Cam, the money isn't that much.

 

Our qb play this year has been horrible.  It wasn't going to get better.  Cam is a dramatic improvement even if he isn't his old self.  That was obvious against Washington.  And Tepper wants to win now.  That is why we signed Cam.  Everything else is just noise.

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From what I saw only Chinn played have way decent and the guy that caused the fumble. Defense was awful no pressure and guys running wide open. You will not win against any vet coach playing defense like that. Letting them convert 21yards was the backbreaker for me and I knew we were going to loose. Cam hasn't been in the playbook long enough to even be a comeback qb. Del Rio pretty much said it. Cam doesn't  know enough yet to be that concerned. The game plan for Cam was for him to move the ball, score, no turnovers. 21 points was good enough. Defense was suppose to be your strong tower not Cam and if they think he can save them then take the gloves off of Cam and let him call the plays..lol

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3 hours ago, stbugs said:

I agree. I was saying earlier in the year that our 2021 draft that we all liked and was really hyped by many in here was starting to look a bit more meh. Yes, lots of guys who are contributing a bit but are Tremble, Hubbard, Marshall, BC, Brown, etc. look more like average players or backups, not step up and be special guys. 

Most of those guys are mid to late round picks so they should be looking like backups or average players. That said, it's too early to judge the rookies.

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45 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Most of those guys are mid to late round picks so they should be looking like backups or average players. That said, it's too early to judge the rookies.

Oh, I agree. I’m just saying we had really high expectations for this class and they’ve been underwhelming. Doesn’t help that Horn has been hurt but the entire class has contributed a lot less than I think we thought they would.

Look back at our last 3 drafts and we’ve got 2 guys that I’d say are key contributors, Burns and Chinn. We have other contributors and starts, but not at a level that makes you feel like we are better at that position than most teams. You need that to compete come playoff time.

In 2015, Cam, Olsen, Luke, TD, Short, Norman and probably Norwell/Turner/Kalil were guys that year that played well enough to put us well above average at those positions. I’m not sure I’d put anyone in the last 3 drafts in that group yet. I like Burns, even though I felt like I didn’t notice him Sunday) but he’s not close to as disruptive a DL as Short was at his peak that year. In 42 games, Burns has 23.5 sacks, 23 TFLs and 50 QB Hits. In 16 games in 2015, Short had 11 sacks, 16 TFLs and 18 QB Hits as a DT. I remember watching Short that year and seeing him blow up OLs/plays and takeover games. This isn’t a slight at Burns at all, just looking back and feeling like we haven’t been able to get enough of those top studs yet in the past few drafts. That’s what you need to win divisions and go to the playoffs 4 out of 5 years. Hopefully, Horn shows out and Marshall/BC take big leaps because we’ll just keep puttering a long unless Cam magically turns the clock back 6 years.

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29 minutes ago, Panther53521 said:

The problem with the defense is PHIL SHOW. when you play 6 DBs you are weak to the run. When we play a team that has strong OL it’s easy for them to run with 6 in the box

If you're playing with 6dbs how in the world did heinke get those great passing stats. That shows you not as good as you think. I think the defense thought this was a gimmie game and played soft as poo. They were up to play cardinals and took a rain check on the Skins. This loss should help the coaching staff as they watch tape, maybe this will get corrected for the rest of the way. I doubt it  there is no Thomas Davis or Luke on the defensive side of the ball.

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