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Some insight into McCaffrey...


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33 minutes ago, Icege said:

The hand-wringing over CMC's contract is incredibly overblown by pseudo-capologists that swear by positional value over talent level, imo. Have things worked out smashingly? Not at all, but there are definitely nuances that aren't being looked at.

Talent that can't stay on the field. Staring down the barrel of three 5 win seasons in a row. What nuances are we missing in your opinion? You might see less pessimism if we had not mortgaged future draft capital to field this mess.

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1 hour ago, Icege said:

Is it a valid point though?

Other RBs within $500k of Fournette's $3.25M contract: Raheem Mostert, Rashaad Penny, Tarik Cohen, Cordarelle Patterson, Kenyan Drake, and Chris Carson.

CMC's is currently just double that at ~$6.9M. At worst, he's holding the team back from another Pat Elflein contract. Joe Mixon is paid more ($8.1M), as is Melvin Gordon ($8.9M), Saquon ($10M), and Derrick Henry ($13M). Zeke is barely $80k less, so the question of value at this point is when compared to other top tier RBs where does McCaffrey's salary lie? About in the middle for those not under rookie deals.

We don't actually see the type of cap hit that folks clutch their pearls over until next season when his cap hit jumps to $14.3M. The crazy part though? That just takes him from the 5th best paid RB in 2021 to the 4th best paid RB in 2022. Kamara is slated to jump from $5M -> $14.5M, Derrick Henry goes from $13M -> $15M, and Zeke jumps from $6.8M -> $18.2M (!!!).

To put this in perspective, let's look at the rest of the RB salaries from after CMC's to about what Zeke & CMC cost this season: Dalvin Cook $12M, Joe Mixon $11.5M, Aaron Jones $9M, Kenyan Drake $8M, Saquon $7.2M, Austin Ekeler $6.5M, Chris Carson $6.5M, Kareem Hunt $6.2M.

The RBs you'd get with Fournette's contract next season? Mike Davis, Devontae Booker, Carlos Hyde, or Mark Ingram. I don't think that swapping CMC for one of those guys and an additional $9M makes this team better, especially given the guys that they've targeted on offense such as Pat Elflein, Cameron Jordan, Michael Jordan, John Miller, etc. Plus, when we look at the actual monetary value of the RB position, it isn't $1M like folks are thinking. It's $4M. Next season it'll be $6M.

I could see it being a fair point if Fournette were still with the Jaguars, but he's doing all of this while behind a TB offensive line that's in the top 3, at worst top 5 in the NFL compared to the Panthers' OL which is at the polar opposite end of the rankings. Plus, he's got Tom Brady at QB. CMC has had the shell of Cam Newton, Sam Darnold, and PJ Walker (have they actually gotten to play on the field together during a game? They might not have yet). Fournette washed out during his rookie deal, came back on a prove it deal, and balled out. He's an exception, not the norm like folks keep pretending that he is.

You know who has a deal that's in line with everyone's expectations? A player that gets paid about the same as Leonard Fournette this season and then gets paid the same as Mike Davis next season? A guy on a rookie contract: Josh Jacobs. When was he drafted? In the 1st round, which is a cardinal sin apparently... yet... it gives the numbers that folks are screaming for? 


The hand-wringing over CMC's contract is incredibly overblown by pseudo-capologists that swear by positional value over talent level, imo. Have things worked out smashingly? Not at all, but there are definitely nuances that aren't being looked at.

There is literally no argument against the CMC deal being a bad idea. None.

What is worse is that all the hand wringing about CMC holding out seems comical now. We literally had no reason to sign that extension when we did. Had we not.....we probably don't give him that contract at all.

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4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

There is literally no argument against the CMC deal being a bad idea. None.

What is worse is that all the hand wringing about CMC holding out seems comical now. We literally had no reason to sign that extension when we did. Had we not.....we probably don't give him that contract at all.

CMC + Shaq's contracts were vintage Hurney, that's for damn sure.

As much as I hate to say it though, we're not in as bad of a situation as a lot of folks might think initially. Next season, imo ofc, is the only real "sunk" season in regards to the cost of CMC's deal (especially if his current availability holds up). If he gets anything like what he had in his last couple of seasons with Rivera, then we get away with one there. If it's same as it ever was, then the Panthers can cut him and save $5M or look to trade him to a team that has the room to absorb the contract to go with their need at RB. Tough sale there, ngl...

It'll be very, very interesting seeing how Fitterer handles Shaq & CMC's deals. If the current staff continues to decline, I can see him just blowing the whole thing up. I think that the pressure is on Rhule to put together 3 wins out of the final 5 games... It's hard for me to see Tepper being okay with anything less unless we're competitive in all 5 games with bad breaks hitting us at the worst moments.

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On 11/30/2021 at 2:36 PM, CRA said:

I'm not a fan of drafting RB in the first round.  

The only thing I hate more than drafting RBs in the first round is extending a RB having one of the highest paid RBs in the league. 

We did this dance with Double Trouble.  You don't build NFL teams with RBs anymore.  Yet we did it again.  

Who ran the ball down our throats for Washington? A converted WR.  You get an OL.  You can find a RB. 

I love CMC, but as you said the running back doesn't matter with a crap OL. Calling our OL crap is a huge understatement. I don't understand why we don't invest in OL, it was a major factor in Cam's injuries and here we're seeing it again. 

Skill players are useless when you can't win the battle at the line of scrimmage. The games are won and lost in the trenches.

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