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Reddick or Burns, who you keeping? Why?


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32 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He's terrible against the run and is too small to be a 3 down defensive end.  

Then build around that.  Surround him with larger LBs who can take on blocks.  Make sure the other primary edge defender opposite of him isn't also an undersized speed rusher.

No player is going to be perfect.  Burns is too good of a pass rusher.  And again, he's only 23... he has time to get better against the run.  You just don't trade a guy like him at his age and with his skill-level.

Can you name any recent example of a team trading a DE at Burns' age and his skill-level (unless said player requested trade)?

It just doesn't happen.  Burns not being an all-around player doesn't mean you get rid of him.  It means you take that into consideration when building the rest of your team.  Because chances are, the 1st round pick you get back for Burns won't be better than Burns unless its in the top 10.  And no team is trading a top 10 pick for Burns.

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18 minutes ago, Mage said:

Then build around that.  Surround him with larger LBs who can take on blocks.  Make sure the other primary edge defender opposite of him isn't also an undersized speed rusher.

No player is going to be perfect.  Burns is too good of a pass rusher.  And again, he's only 23... he has time to get better against the run.  You just don't trade a guy like him at his age and with his skill-level.

Can you name any recent example of a team trading a DE at Burns' age and his skill-level (unless said player requested trade)?

It just doesn't happen.  Burns not being an all-around player doesn't mean you get rid of him.  It means you take that into consideration when building the rest of your team.  Because chances are, the 1st round pick you get back for Burns won't be better than Burns unless its in the top 10.  And no team is trading a top 10 pick for Burns.

You don't build a defense around an undersized defensive end.  He's good but not that good. 

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20 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You don't build a defense around an undersized defensive end.  

You build around his flaws.  I'm not saying he has to be your best player on defense.

So are you saying we should only keep players who check every box?  That just isn't reasonable or feasible.  There are very few "perfect" players in the NFL.

Again, can you name one recent example of a team trading a pass rusher at Burns' skill-level and age?  It would be unprecedented, unless Burns asked for the release.  There is no reason to trade him.  We have the money to pay him.  He plays an important position.  Trading him because he's not the perfect all-around player would be crazy.

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And again, say you trade him.  Are you re-signing Reddick?  Why would you re-sign Reddick over keeping Burns for relatively cheap money the next 2 years?  And if you can't re-sign him, then you just created a massive hole at DE.  Now that makes it even more difficult to advocate taking an OT in the 1st when this is one of the strongest DL drafts in a long, long time.  At least at the top.

It just makes 0 sense to trade a proven player like Burns at his position.  And that's why teams don't do it.  You don't get better by creating more holes.  Maybe if we had another great DE on the roster, then yeah, trade Burns.  But the only other guy is Reddick, who is just as one-dimensional and much, much older.  And who will cost more vs keeping Burns for 2 more years (at minimum).  

You can't trade a guy just because he doesn't check every box.  Yeah if Burns is asking for an outrageous contract, like Watt/Garrett money, then of course you move on.  But I seriously doubt that will be the case for a myriad of reasons.  You can't possibly let this guy go though, especially this offseason when you still have guaranteed seasons left with him.  It would be a crazy bad decision.

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A lot of you seem to be missing a major factor here. Our DTs played like poo this year. We used to see similar problems to this back before we drafted Star and Short. 
 

Teams are able to gash us up the gut for big run plays and QBs are constantly able to escape sacks and make big plays down field by stepping up into the pocket because our DTs get no fuging interior push. This is why you see Burns over run sack attempt so much. When our DTs actually collapse the pocket Burns becomes an almost guaranteed strip sack machine.

Jones is just a body at this point and Derrick Brown is soft as can be and is basically a bust because of where he was drafted. He was supposed to be a double team eating beast who could wreak havoc on the interior. Unfortunately he gives up 90% of the time as soon as he’s double teamed.

We signed Morgan fox who is a 3-4 D end and tried to use him all year as a 4-3 end and a 4-3 DT in pass rush packages and wondered why we got killed in the run game.

We are a nose tackle and a number 2 MLB away from having a really good 3-4 front 7 if we resign Reddick. Snow needs to throw his gimmicky college bs defensive scheme in the trash or ideally be packing his bags with Rhule and getting the fug out of Charlotte.

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