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Cut Darnold... Sign Vet QB to be a Mentor... Start Corral from Day 1


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2 hours ago, WOW!! said:

I'm really getting the feeling that some of you are scared to let competition happen.. And I don't understand why??

If Matt beats Sam out it's a good thing right??

Straight up legit competition? I’m still not sure Sam can actually beat PJ. 

I don’t want the rookie to start week one and us ruin him.   But QB wise I fully expect he can make more plays than Sam by mid season.   Game speed will take awhile.   And he will make mistakes.  Probably on par with Sam in that department.  But I think he has instant offensive upside compared to Sam. 

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38 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Do I have a history of doing that? I’ve never called anyone on this section of the forum one, and I’ve only used it on 2 posters in the TB: 

Good luck to your boy Darnold lol. 

I wouldn't call Sam my. Boy

 

I do think he's physically talented and think he deserves a shot to compete for the starting job

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9 minutes ago, CRA said:

Straight up legit competition? I’m still not sure Sam can actually beat PJ. 

I don’t want the rookie to start week one and us ruin him.   But QB wise I fully expect he can make more plays than Sam by mid season.   Game speed will take awhile.   And he will make mistakes.  Probably on par with Sam in that department.  But I think he has instant offensive upside compared to Sam. 

Alright your opinion and basis is showing  .

Sam's a bad QB mentally but physical abilities a different story.. And no QB in this draft is going to have a heads up on the mental stuff based on just the transition from college to pros.. So if Matt beats him out it means he got the mental game faster then expected and physical can match a top 3 prospect talent..

Win win in my book..

But their still needs to be a competition and by all reports I've heard.. I don't have a doubt it will be a fair 1..

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4 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I wouldn't call Sam my. Boy

 

I do think he's physically talented and think he deserves a shot to compete for the starting job

See, this is the problem, because yes, Darnold is absolutely physically talented, extremely so, actually.

So in camp with a better line in front of him and knowing the defense can't hit him, he's going to look like a stud out there, but come regular season games, he doesn't process things fast enough, he just doesn't have the mental side of it and makes mistakes.

That's why I don't want him around at all, because even if Corral plays, he's going to have the pressure on him after every little mistake because he'll have a physically talented Darnold behind him and making good plays in practice.

I think having Darnold over Corral's shoulder, will be a hinderance to him, and that's why I'd rather just cut him and bring in a cheap vet to help mentor Corral this year.

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2 hours ago, Catsfan69 said:

Are you going to call his detractors racist?

 

8 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I wouldn't call Sam my. Boy

 

I do think he's physically talented and think he deserves a shot to compete for the starting job

Since you want to open this can and attack someone else with it. If Sam Darnold looked and carried himself like Cam Newton you would not be this forgiving of his horrible performance and you know it. Cut the sh*t.

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17 minutes ago, frankw said:

 

Since you want to open this can and attack someone else with it. If Sam Darnold looked and carried himself like Cam Newton you would not be this forgiving of his horrible performance and you know it. Cut the sh*t.

You have lost me on a tangent here.

I have very few problems with Cam Newtons actions. A few times he had Ill advised timing on celebrating and lost at least one game for us due to celebrating so that's a valid criticism.

But the racist thing had nothing to do with Sam and was about Matt.

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22 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

You have lost me on a tangent here.

I have very few problems with Cam Newtons actions. A few times he had Ill advised timing on celebrating and lost at least one game for us due to celebrating so that's a valid criticism.

But the racist thing had nothing to do with Sam and was about Matt.

The conversation initiated over the celebrations. Why even bring it up with Matt? If our starter is the worst in the league in back to back seasons criticism will be warranted regardless. Sam is getting a pass from some people despite data showing no other QB has been worse in the last several years and it is either because they are delusional or they have bias.

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12 minutes ago, frankw said:

The conversation initiated over the celebrations. Why even bring it up with Matt? If our starter is the worst in the league in back to back seasons criticism will be warranted regardless. Sam is getting a pass from some people despite data showing no other QB has been worse in the last several years and it is either because they are delusional or they have bias.

Yes his performance was less than ideal but I don't think anyone would have done much better last year.

I also wanted Strong. I would have loved a 3 way competition. 

I don't cate who starts as long as they legitimately earn the job.

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1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Alright your opinion and basis is showing  .

Sam's a bad QB mentally but physical abilities a different story.. And no QB in this draft is going to have a heads up on the mental stuff based on just the transition from college to pros.. So if Matt beats him out it means he got the mental game faster then expected and physical can match a top 3 prospect talent..

Win win in my book..

But their still needs to be a competition and by all reports I've heard.. I don't have a doubt it will be a fair 1..

I mean, it’s my opinion lol.   So yeah, my opinion is showing.

I didn’t trash Sam’s physical tools.  There isn’t a post of mine that has ever done that. 

And I only said by mid season I thought Matt could offer upside offensively vs Sam.  Because Matt is a better pure QB coming out and a gamer. Yet still acknowledged Matt would probably bring a comparable number of negative plays because of the jump up. 

it’s a pretty tame statement IMO

Sam’s always been an athlete that played QB.  He stinks at QB though.  The mental aspect and understanding.  Lot of kids straight out of college have edges on aspects of Sam’s flawed QB game.    And not just the Herbert’s of the world.  Mills and QBs drafted further down do.  Sam is just physical tools.  Not much else. 

What’s my bias? That I believe Sam is and has been the worst QB in the NFL over the last 4 seasons? That he isn’t good?   That he has been given more opportunity than comparable QBs and the experiment should be over? That rookies have even proven to grasp things better than him?  Well, I guess I can handle that bias. 

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13 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Yes his performance was less than ideal but I don't think anyone would have done much better last year.

I also wanted Strong. I would have loved a 3 way competition. 

I don't cate who starts as long as they legitimately earn the job.

Yes, plenty of people could of done better than Sam.  We’re they on our roster? Maybe not. 

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1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Alright your opinion and basis is showing  .

Sam's a bad QB mentally but physical abilities a different story.. And no QB in this draft is going to have a heads up on the mental stuff based on just the transition from college to pros.. So if Matt beats him out it means he got the mental game faster then expected and physical can match a top 3 prospect talent..

Win win in my book..

But their still needs to be a competition and by all reports I've heard.. I don't have a doubt it will be a fair 1..

I hear what your saying but I think it will be an actual open competition. Fitt came from Seattle with Wilson, so he has seen what happens when you open it up. 

That said I think the tie goes to Sam. If at the end of camp Sam and Corral look equal I think they roll with Sam. That said the leash would be VERY short. 

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1 minute ago, CanadianCat said:

I hear what your saying but I think it will be an actual open competition. Fitt came from Seattle with Wilson, so he has seen what happens when you open it up. 

That said I think the tie goes to Sam. If at the end of camp Sam and Corral look equal I think they roll with Sam. That said the leash would be VERY short. 

I have no doubt this is a open Competition and Sam will probably win it.. But best of both worlds is Corral sits and when Sam fails he has the proper time to prove if he is or if he isn't a starting QB..

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1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

I have no doubt this is a open Competition and Sam will probably win it.. But best of both worlds is Corral sits and when Sam fails he has the proper time to prove if he is or if he isn't a starting QB..

Yeah I think the leash is short. Even if Sam is playing well but we fall behind in the playoff push I can see them throwing Corral out there to finish the season - to see what we have. 

Honestly if I were to bet on it, I see Sam starting the season and Corral finishing it. 

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