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How much would you trade for Baker for 1 year rental?


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Just now, Jon Snow said:

Truth.  They also need to draft another qb next year regardless. 

Exactly.  It may seem I'm a Baker fanboy, however I'm just trying to put myself in Matt Rhule's shoes or rather, his hot seat.  Even if Baker signs here, he's not the solution beyond this season.

My ultimate goal for QB lies in next year's draft.  Let that be put on the record amid all this Baker Mayfield discussion.

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5 hours ago, Wolfcop said:

I see your argument, but Mayfield had a better year than Darnold by quite a bit, all while being injured for a majority of the year. I’d get Mayfield and dump Darnold. Let MC develop behind Mayfield. Mayfield has actually seen success in the NFL. Darnold hasn’t. 

And I see your argument--Darnold has never had a line, and it shows.  However, I see where people think Mayfield had more upside--we will probably see---but if Mayfield plays well-do you pay him $200m for 5 years?

Baker Passer rating in 2021: 83

Darnold Passer rating in 2021: 72

So to support your point, even injured, Baker did better--but he did have a better OL.  To me, the OL is the difference maker as much as the QB.  We were HORRIBLE last year up the middle.

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28 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

And I see your argument--Darnold has never had a line, and it shows.  However, I see where people think Mayfield had more upside--we will probably see---but if Mayfield plays well-do you pay him $200m for 5 years?

Baker Passer rating in 2021: 83

Darnold Passer rating in 2021: 72

So to support your point, even injured, Baker did better--but he did have a better OL.  To me, the OL is the difference maker as much as the QB.  We were HORRIBLE last year up the middle.

Counter to that is even in college w/ great OL play and when the OL has held up for Sam in the pros.....he has consistently been a bonehead in all conditions w/ the ball.   I mean, I think the arguement does exist that the OL isn't what makes Sam Darnold bad.  It makes him worse.  But it's not making Sam be stupid w/ the ball.  

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5 hours ago, 45catfan said:

And that's the exact reason we are looking at Mayfield.  Despite Rhule's coachspeak on riding with Darnold, I don't think he's 100% sold on Tepper keeping his word about seeing this through until at least year five.  Rhule knows he needs a winning season and Darnold most likely can't deliver that.  Baker most likely will.

Your not wrong, and this is how bad teams are made. IF Tepper is honest, then we ride the season with Darnold/Corral and see where things lie. If they suck we draft a QB. IF they play good then we are in a good position. 

 

I think 2 things can be true this season. We could have good/great QB play from Darnold AND still lose most games. 

We need Fitt to be able to evaluate both. 

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1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

And I see your argument--Darnold has never had a line, and it shows.  However, I see where people think Mayfield had more upside--we will probably see---but if Mayfield plays well-do you pay him $200m for 5 years?

Baker Passer rating in 2021: 83

Darnold Passer rating in 2021: 72

So to support your point, even injured, Baker did better--but he did have a better OL.  To me, the OL is the difference maker as much as the QB.  We were HORRIBLE last year up the middle.

Statistically speaking, Sam's rating drops when he has more time.  Maybe it's because he is so use to having no time, he freaks out when he does and rushes his progressions.  I think he does good (as do most QBs) when the first read is open.  When it's not he struggles with progressions and wants to improvise with some bad habits.  I watched him get pulled last year and he legitimately looked scared on the sidelines.  When Baker is on the sidelines after a bad series/game he looks pissed off like he wants to go back out there and make a play.  I think Sam is just mentally weak (from a football/competitive standpoint) and even with a good OL won't have much progress.  Baker is almost the opposite where he can be overconfident and get himself into some trouble.  When it comes to scared vs overconfident in a QB, I'll always take the latter.  

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This means to be said and repeated in the other 397 mayfield threads.

The overlooked part is not Sam vs Baker, or Baker vs Corral, its Baker vs PJ. Ace dickhead Baker would raise the QB talent level. FYI Sam Darnold has never finished a whole season in his career (mainly cause poor OL/coaching). So it's not a deal for Baker taking Sam's "job" or whatever. The main reason is adding talent and Baker is talented, maybe more than Corral&Darnold.... Who knows he may get here and truly click with the city, players, and coaching staff(doubt, but dont know for sure)and want to be a future panther. 

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Ideally a 3rd but as high as a 2nd if I was open to resigning him.

A lot of people in here are misinformed over just how good Mayfield is. That includes the media. He played hurt all last year and still handily outplayed every QB we had. When he wasn't hurt he brought a garbage franchise into relevancy after 3 decades of suck. Dude is a winner and always has been. 

Offer the 3rd, trade the 2nd if you have to. Corral won't be ready to start until next year at the very least, he doesn't need time on the field unprepared, he needs to sit and watch a good QB, that's not Darnold. If Baker is lights out than we have either a great trade commodity in either him or Corral, or a very affordable QB room for a long time. 

Do it, and do it now

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3 minutes ago, Sama8525 said:

Ideally a 3rd but as high as a 2nd if I was open to resigning him.

A lot of people in here are misinformed over just how good Mayfield is. That includes the media. He played hurt all last year and still handily outplayed every QB we had. When he wasn't hurt he brought a garbage franchise into relevancy after 3 decades of suck. Dude is a winner and always has been. 

Offer the 3rd, trade the 2nd if you have to. Corral won't be ready to start until next year at the very least, he doesn't need time on the field unprepared, he needs to sit and watch a good QB, that's not Darnold. If Baker is lights out than we have either a great trade commodity in either him or Corral, or a very affordable QB room for a long time. 

Do it, and do it now

I agree that he's better than most people think. I disagree he's with that though. His attitude and locker room concerns are LEGIT. That wouldn't matter if he was Patrick Mahomes but he ain't Patrick Mahomes.

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