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Jaycee Horn weighs in on the turf debate


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37 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Am I the only one not forgetting the injury bug hitting us every other year even with grass?

The players want grass, they practice/play 5-6 days a week and have voiced their opinions. The acute foot/ankle injuries suck, quads/hamstrings etc suck the day after when you're running on expensive carpet. Why do any of the turf defenders take the side of the owners trying to save 50 bucks

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Listen to the ones playing the game. Listen to the ones whose health and livelihoods depend on the ground they run on.

Find players who think turf is better and listen to what they say and listen to players who think grass is better and compare notes. My guess is you aren't going to find many who think turf is better. 

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14 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Listen to the ones playing the game. Listen to the ones whose health and livelihoods depend on the ground they run on.

Find players who think turf is better and listen to what they say and listen to players who think grass is better and compare notes. My guess is you aren't going to find many who think turf is better. 

If your Tepper you do what you want. It’s like every work place you bring it up in your next CBA. Like they could argue safety but others here have posted studies that don’t really point one way of the other 

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14 hours ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

I'm aware. Turf is not some evil thing the big bad rich white man uses just to make a profit. You dorks need to get off that.

He is literally doing it so he can host concerts at the stadium. How is that not about the money?

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15 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Is it?

Click on Brooklyn's link and actually read the article. It would seem to suggest there's a lot of hard science that says there's little to no difference and actual injury rates are slightly worse on grass.  Yes turf is cheaper to maintain, but player dislike of it may boil down to not liking turf burns (which sucks but aren't actual injuries) and a misperception it's less safe.

Not actual hard evidence to back up that claim.

I'll admit, the article surprised me, but if we're going to be intellectually honest, we have to consider it's merits.

Haven’t read the article but serious injury is much more likely on turf than grass where as minor injuries on grass. Which probably skewed the numbers. Concussions and ACL’s the two biggest killers of a NFL players career occur far more on turf. 

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4 hours ago, rayzor said:

Listen to the ones playing the game. Listen to the ones whose health and livelihoods depend on the ground they run on.

Find players who think turf is better and listen to what they say and listen to players who think grass is better and compare notes. My guess is you aren't going to find many who think turf is better. 

Concussions occur more on turf. The NFLPA might have a grievance if they wanted to follow it. 

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Why do so many call Artificial Turf , turf..  when real grass has always been called turf,  hence having to put the word Artificial in front of the word turf . But so many younger fans think the word  turf represents on the artificial grass.  Throughout the south there are Turf Farms.  They do not grow plastic grass. Golf courses have turf managers, and there's no artificial grass there. Just crazy how words get highjacked lol.

yeah, I know I'm going to get slammed here lol

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19 hours ago, panthers55 said:

When we played Chelsea last summer in soccer, Tepper had to bring in a natural grass field for the game and then he dismantled it and went back to turf the week after. Chelsea wouldn't play on a turf field.

Gotta have his concerts 

you know…to continue to introduce us to music 

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4 hours ago, Harbingers said:

Concussions occur more on turf. The NFLPA might have a grievance if they wanted to follow it. 

Also basic soft tissue recovery. Players constantly have mentioned that it takes a couple extra days for leg muscles to recover after playing on turf. They still can't find a balance either. It's either basically concrete with a carpet on top, or they add a bunch of recycled tire pellets and then it's like running in moon shoes

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Anyone clamoring for turf has never played on it themselves. Regardless of ligament tears and concussions, it doesn't feel good to be tackled on it. Turf burn is terrible, it's harder to plant and run on, and don't get me started on the pellets getting EVERYWHERE.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mol3m4n said:

Anyone clamoring for turf has never played on it themselves. Regardless of ligament tears and concussions, it doesn't feel good to be tackled on it. Turf burn is terrible, it's harder to plant and run on, and don't get me started on the pellets getting EVERYWHERE.

 

 

 

 

Those little black pellets get into places that should never be inhabited by little black pellets.

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