Brian Burns if traded

[Stuart Smith]

6 hours ago, Chief Keek said:

I can't wait to trade Brian Burns so we can try and draft the next Brian Burns.

What good does it do to tear down the defense to build the offense? We need to put someone with him to replace Reddick.

[Varking]

The Rams deal was overrated and so is Brian Burns so it was fair. The firsts would not have been in this draft but the following two drafts. That lowers their value. 
 

Burns gets abused in the run game. He gets after the QB at a good rate but often struggles to convert the pressure into a sack. We’ve all seen him hit or wrap up a QB and then they get out of it. It happens. 
 

He’s not this uber elite game disruptor. He’s Yannick Ngokoue but drafted in the first round. Never had less than 8 sacks in a season and his high was 12 but since the Jags let him go he’s been on four teams in three years. You fall for the sack stat and then realize teams can beat you simply by forcing your run game in his direction. 
 

That’s who Brian Burns is until he can figure out how to be more disruptive in the run game. 

[BrianS]

Burns value just went way up with Evero coming in.  He's now going to be in a position that suits him as opposed to being forced into a slot as a 4-3 DE.

[Stuart Smith]

4 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Everyone agrees franchise QB is more important position than edge rusher. So if we offered Burns, who is a known commodity, for the 1st pick to take a franchise QB, and it's agreeable, then it should be a no brainer. The question really is, is Burns worth more than Stroud or Young? 

You would still have to give picks with Burns. Then fans would be groaning like they are about Reddick. 

[kungfoodude]

7 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

lol it's the huddle dude, everyone hates Burns here

I sincerely hope no one here actually hates Brian Burns. He has done absolutely nothing to generate hate much less even casual dislike.

He is probably the best player on our roster at the moment.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

People mention the Rams trade because that was the offer. That kind of offer is for an elite edge rusher. That's Mack, Miller, Bosas, Watts level edge rushers. Personally I don't have Burns as that elite level yet. Could he get there? Sure. Could he also not get there? Sure.

But we need 1st round picks if we're serious about getting our guy. 1st round picks are used to get a franchise QB. If you want to go after Lamar, you're going to need 1sts to trade. If you have a specific QB you want, you need to be able to trade up to make sure you can draft him. Doesn't matter if anyone else thinks he'll be there at 9. You want him, you go get him. That takes draft picks. Moving to 1 would be a hell of a lot easier with 5 1st and 2nds over the next 3 years. 

To make that trade, you have to consider the quality of what those picks could end up being. Stafford and his elbow look done. Without a 1st this year or the next 2, do you really think Baker Mayfield is leading that team to a SB? The guy we cut is going to net us a late 20s or 30s pick in 24' and 25'? I think both of those picks end up being top 10 if the trade is made because I don't think Baker is that guy. 

So let's consider if we had made the trade and the Rams did make a SB winning run this year. If Burns is that elite, as you are claiming he is, that should have been a very reasonable outcome for the Rams this year. Then comes the bigger question of whether or not McVay decides to call it quits as a winner, Stafford and Donald both are done as 2x champs, and then Rams having no 1st round picks for the next 3 years.

But since the trade didn't happen, you have to now consider the upcoming contract. Figure that we're probably going to overpay for Burns because that's just what we do. Growing cap space and considered an elite edge rusher because of what was offered for him, we could realistically end up paying him $22-$30m per year for 5 years. Reddick just signed a 3 year offer for $15m per year and has had the same level of production. Is it possible to that level of production for that salary figure that we are going to potentially pay Burns? It's very possible. 

I want a QB. We need a QB. I think trading Burns could have brought us closer to that goal. Remember at the time of the trade offer, our future HC was still unknown. So if I had the choice for what I believe are 2 top 10 future 1sts, a 2nd this year, and $25m per year in cap space or Brian Burns, I'm trading Burns because I believe those assets can get us a more important position than DE, and that's a franchise QB. And if an offer similar to that comes at us again this offseason, depending on who makes it, I'd be damn sure considering it. 

@ellis talked about the trade on a previous edition of The Roar and they basically said there is no one on thr current roster they likely wouldn't trade at that value.

I think fans really don't have a realistic idea of how big of a trade offer that was, nor how rare it is to see. I doubt there are more than 10 successful trades with that value in the past 20 years. I would be willing to bet the bulk(if not all) are for QB's.

[CPantherKing]

I was willing to part ways with Burns last season by trading him and getting value plus drafting James Houston to replace him. I have yet to see a replacement available for Burns in this draft. I'm never willing to move a player that limits the team without replacing their impact for a lesser cost.

Have to keep Burns for now. Panthers missed that window I pointed to last year.

[Varking]

6 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

I was willing to part ways with Burns last season by trading him and getting value plus drafting James Houston to replace him. I have yet to see a replacement available for Burns in this draft. I'm never willing to move a player that limits the team without replacing their impact for a lesser cost.

Have to keep Burns for now. Panthers missed that window I pointed to last year.

Will Anderson probably won’t take until year 4 of his rookie contract to cross ten sacks in a season. 

[ForJimmy]

8 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

I was willing to part ways with Burns last season by trading him and getting value plus drafting James Houston to replace him. I have yet to see a replacement available for Burns in this draft. I'm never willing to move a player that limits the team without replacing their impact for a lesser cost.

Have to keep Burns for now. Panthers missed that window I pointed to last year.

Just sign Ngakoue to replace him short term. Reich is already familiar with him.

[BrisbanePanther]

15 hours ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

I really hope Burns gets traded so I can hear 95% whine and complain when we have literally ZERO pass rush and he balls out with another end across from him. Ppl around here act like it's so easy to find pass rushers in the NFL, it's not Madden huddlers yeesh 

#feeltheburns 

Same could be said for QBs, which is why Huddlers are drawn to the Dollar General rounds for the most important position in the sport. People think they can cheat code a 3rd rounder or lower because of the likes of Jake, GOAT, and maybe (maybe) Purdy. Also not Madden.

[ClawOn]

18 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Burns peak value was probably the Rams offer. Sincerely hope I am wrong but that was an insane offer.

If he's part of a package to move up to 1 i.e. he's a more desired asset than an additional 1 or 2 first rounders?

[Catsfan69]

10 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I sincerely hope no one here actually hates Brian Burns. He has done absolutely nothing to generate hate much less even casual dislike.

He is probably the best player on our roster at the moment.

He is our most talented. 

Not necessarily our best.

Unfulfilled potential is the worst. 

 

I don't hate the man. He seems like a good guy.

Edited February 12, 2023 by Catsfan69

[mrcompletely11]

10 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I sincerely hope no one here actually hates Brian Burns. He has done absolutely nothing to generate hate much less even casual dislike.

He is probably the best player on our roster at the moment.

all things considered Icky is far and away our most valuable player at the moment

[BrisbanePanther]

5 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I don’t think Purdy is really all that. He was in a perfect spot and CMC really helped because LBs couldn’t cover him and Kittle so one of the two was invariably open with a good set of WRs and OL, not to mention great D. Against better teams in the playoffs he missed way more passes that he shouldn’t have and almost got one WR destroyed. Lance may never develop so Purdy may still be there and put up decent stats but with only DJ as a quality receiver, Purdy wouldn’t be SF Purdy here.

Agreed, but that doesn't stop people (not just Huddlers in this case) from saying, "See, you don't need to 'waste' a FRP on a QB." Bonkers and I'm not sure why the gun-shyness over a 1st round QB who may not pan out doesn't exist for the corner, who also may not pan out (starting to look at Horn...the best ability is availability after all).