Confused Why Some Seem to Think We Got Fleeced

[therealmjl]

24 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Because they're looking like they're not the A+ coaching staff I thought they were.

Because we traded up to land a franchise QB? That was the deal breaker for you?

[PNW_PantherMan]

21 minutes ago, Car123 said:

People calling DJ Moore a #2 WR. We haven’t seen him play with even an average qb. Imagine someone like Burrow throwing to him.

Well you're gonna have to keep using your imagination because he's going to Chicago.

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I can't wait for us to trade back to 3, still get the QB we want, and get our 1st back in next years draft!

[Castavar]

1 minute ago, scratched said:

I can't wait for us to trade back to 3, still get the QB we want, and get our 1st back in next years draft!

Fug that. The lowest I'd trade back to is #2. The dropoff after Stroud and Young is IMMENSE.

[Stuart Smith]

2 hours ago, Harbingers said:

I thought it was 2 first + DJ?

It depends on how you want to view it. The 1st this year was really a pick swap as we went from pick #9 to pick #1. Also the 61st this year. 

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1 minute ago, Castavar said:

Fug that. The lowest I'd trade back to is #2. The dropoff after Stroud and Young is IMMENSE.

If you trade with Arizona, they aren't taking a QB...

[therealmjl]

Just now, scratched said:

If you trade with Arizona, they aren't taking a QB...

Why would arizona trade up? We’d have to get a 3rd team involved for that.

[KatsAzz]

MOCK DRAFT: Panthers jump Texans, Colts to draft C.J. Stroud

Panthers grade: B

The Panthers did give up a lot to jump three teams in particular — the Texans at No. 2 overall, the Colts at No. 4 overall and the Raiders at No. 7 overall. Those were the teams most attached to taking a QB in the top eight picks.

Although there are four QBs worth being taken the top 10, the Panthers couldn't afford to let another team get the Bears pick, or otherwise be left out of the mix for Alabama's Bryce Young, Ohio State's C.J. Stroud, Florida'a Anthony Richardson or Kentucky's Will Levis.

Given how much GM Scott Fitterer gave up to the Bears — including Moore, who would have been help to a rookie QB — the Panthers must hit on the right pick for new offensive-minded head coach Frank Reich. Based on the kind of system Reich has run plus factoring offensive coordinator Thomas Browns' history with Sean McVay and the Rams, it would suggest they are going after the most polished pocket passer.

Give the slight edge to Stroud over Young for No. 1, with the QB not taken going to Houston, Indianapolis still hoping to get Richardson and Las Vegas still eyeing Levis. So in the end, other than the Texans, the Panthers have done little to shake up the way the QBs should come off the board early.

The Panthers have decent cap space and need to use it wisely in free agency with their soon-to-be rookie starting QB in mind, especially with a massive shrinkage of their significant draft capital this year and beyond.

They still get graded "above-average" for the deal because of how good either Stroud or Young should be as long-term pros, ending their cycle of bridge QBs past the best days of Cam Newton. They just are more handcuffed around the QB to help him win big sooner rather than later.

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To ensure nobody moves up to get Will Anderson.

[KatsAzz]

5 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Fug that. The lowest I'd trade back to is #2. The dropoff after Stroud and Young is IMMENSE.

Give the slight edge to Stroud over Young for the Panthers at No. 1, with the QB not taken going to Houston, Indianapolis still hoping to get Richardson and Las Vegas still eyeing Levis.

So in the end, other than the Texans, the Panthers have done little to shake up the way the QBs should come off the board early.

[1of10Charnatives]

For the record, I don't think we got fleeced, but I don't like the deal because history says it's unlikely to be worth it in the end. The price was to move up was low to reasonable given what one might have expected Chicago to demand, but I am not optmisitic that Stroud or Young or whomever will now be in a great position to succeed long term.

They do seem to be able to step into throwing behind a decent offensive line, but with both DJ and CMC gone now, who is the offensive weapon that will make a young QB's job easier? Oh and over the next 3 drafts including this one, we just gave up several of the most valuable picks we might use to acquire such weapons.

Devil's advocating my own post, most years quality WR's can be had in FA, just not this year, and solid RB's do not require first or second round picks, so all is not lost. I'd love to see them use one of their highest remaining picks this year to get a promising TE prospect if one is available.

[TheSpecialJuan]

2 hours ago, BIGH2001 said:

It’s way too early to be drawing conclusions about that. We basically gave up one first, two seconds (the lower of our two), and a receiver who isn’t a game changer. 
 

The other option was continuing to sign overpriced vets and hoping we finally break through or rolling with Corral or whoever was available at 9 and hoping for the best.

This was the right time to make the move. The other route would be more of the same that we’ve been doing since before and after the Cam era and for most of this team’s history.

agree 

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I was actually shocked how low the price was.

I’m ok with the actual trade, just disappointed we didn’t trade Burns in anticipation because the Rams picks would be perfect to have now.

We’d have pick 36 and 39, a good 1st in 2024, our 2nd in 2024 and two 1sts in 2025. That’s a good set of picks to get weapons around a rookie plus we’d have a big chunk of yearly cap space from Moore and Burns to spend on several D positions. 36 and 39 would get you a top TE and WR from this class just to start.

[Jaxel]

I really don't care if it's a fleece or not. If we hit on the QB, we win.