Downey Jr cast as Dr Doom

[jayboogieman]

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Like Thanos himself, Robert Downey Jr.'s return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe may have been inevitable. But few expected it would go down like this.

On Saturday, Marvel revealed at the pop-culture convention Comic-Con that Downey is coming back to the franchise in the upcoming movie "Avengers: Doomsday" (2026), which will be followed by "Avengers: Secret Wars" (2027). But rather than reviving Tony Stark/Iron Man, he's taking on a new role as one of Marvel's most iconic villains: Doctor Doom.

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To me this reeks of desperation on Disney's part because the phase 4, or whatever phase was the most recent, movies and shows didn't make the money they hoped they would.

[CRA]

yeah, not sure about that.  Marvel has been in a slump...

but the last 2 Marvel movies were pretty good.  Guardians 3 and Deadpool/Wolverine were both strong. 

 

 

[PanthersATL]

16 hours ago, jayboogieman said:

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To me this reeks of desperation on Disney's part because the phase 4, or whatever phase was the most recent, movies and shows didn't make the money they hoped they would.

(this might be wrong, I'm not totally versed/invested in the entire Avengers storyline)

They're leveraging the multiverse arc present in the new Deadpool movie and hinted at in Loki (and has a full comic book series about) where one (actor) might represent different characters.

it works to explain why there are different Peter Parker actors, or how Captain America is played by the same actor as in the old Fantastic 4 movie. Or multiple Hulks

So it's not Tony Stark that we've known as Dr Doom, but it's that universe's Tony Stark who is Dr Doom and not Iron Man

[jayboogieman]

22 minutes ago, PanthersATL said:

(this might be wrong, I'm not totally versed/invested in the entire Avengers storyline)

They're leveraging the multiverse arc present in the new Deadpool movie and hinted at in Loki (and has a full comic book series about) where one (actor) might represent different characters.

it works to explain why there are different Peter Parker actors, or how Captain America is played by the same actor as in the old Fantastic 4 movie. Or multiple Hulks

So it's not Tony Stark that we've known as Dr Doom, but it's that universe's Tony Stark who is Dr Doom and not Iron Man

I get that, but I hate the whole multiverse nonsense. And I always have. It was always just an excuse for the comics to have multiple versions of the same characters running at the same time to make more money. The multiverse makes even less sense for the films since they're not making different movies of different versions of the same characters. Disney Marvel is just using the multiverse to bring back popular actors. Plus, it means death and heroic sacrifice means nothing because they can just bring them back as a "different" version.

What's even worse is that Disney wanted to move away from the original avengers cast because they wanted to move onto a younger, more diverse, and most importantly cheaper bunch of actors. But since the last phase mostly disappointed, it's time to see if bringing back a popular actor and his character can re-spark the magic.

[PanthersATL]

25 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

 they're not making different movies of different versions of the same characters. Disney Marvel is just using the multiverse to bring back popular actors.

Spiderman would like to have a word.... 

 

25 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Disney wanted to move away from the original avengers cast because they wanted to move onto a younger, more diverse, and most importantly cheaper bunch of actors. 

the stories I'm reading from 2023 suggests a larger view. I wouldn't call Pedro Pascal or some of the others significantly younger and/or entirely cheaper (although, compared to RDJ's paycheck, almost anybody is cheaper)

https://ew.com/fantastic-four-cast-pedro-pascal-reed-richards-8567528 

But comic books plot lines change constantly. How may Superman or Batman movies have we had with different actors playing the main roles? #TeamKeaton

[jayboogieman]

1 hour ago, PanthersATL said:

Spiderman would like to have a word

I had forgotten about that movie. It could be argued that movie proves both sides of the argument.

1 hour ago, PanthersATL said:

the stories I'm reading from 2023 suggests a larger view

I'm not sure if they really have a long term view. They shelved the Kang stuff quickly after the actor got in trouble. But all they had to do was recast the role.

1 hour ago, PanthersATL said:

I wouldn't call Pedro Pascal or some of the others significantly younger and/or entirely cheaper

Had to look up that he's been cast in a marvel movie after your post. He doesn't fit the Mr Fantastic role to me. Age and he doesn't seem tall/skinny enough. But since there's never been a good live action Fantastic Four movie, I'm not holding my breath his will be any different.

[PanthersATL]

Casting doesn't overly bother me. Jennifer Lawrence vs Rebecca Romijn as Mystique? Perfectly fine either way

On the other hand, Patrick Stewart as Professor X - can't easily imagine anyone else. Sam Jackson would be inspired fun choice, though...

[Dingo_ate_Babies]

After Avengers End Game, most of the newer marvel movies failed because of poor choices surrounding new/replacement superheroes. The ones that didn't were movies with heroes kept from the early Marvel phases. e.g. Guardians, Dr. Strange, Spider-man, Thor.

A lot of the new heroes are with female leads. I don't have an issue with female leads (I like Captain Marvel), but some were poor choices. Some examples: Boseman died and they could of used the multi-verse to bring in Killmonger as Black Panther. Then you have Ms. Marvel which was a flop. Then there's Iron Heart which was another lame character.

Eternals was also a flop (mixed cast, but nobody cares about these guys).

What they should of done: Give the fans what they want. Cast the right people for the right roles and stop appearing to try to push an agenda.

 

 

[amcoolio]

I think they rushed when they needed to take 4-5 years after Endgame and plan out what to do next. They planned it all that summer. That's what money will do unfortunately.

Its fine, the MCU from Iron Man to Endgame was extremely good and thats a good set of movies to always revisit (besides Thor Dark World - ew)

The new MCU is just too much multiverse content, which cheapens emotions because now you don't really care what happens to the characters. They are brought back almost immediately if they die. IMO they should have skipped the multiverse stuff entirely, or just kept it contained in the Loki series and tie it in a bow that way.

[Cullenator]

25 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

The new MCU is just too much multiverse content, which cheapens emotions because now you don't really care what happens to the characters.

One thousand times this.

 

The multiverse and the Quantum Realm were neat tricks in Endgame.  Its a tired trope in the new MCU.  Im not invested in any of the characters when they all have the ultimate plot armor.

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[SOJA]

used to watch marvel stuff religiously but now I just wait for it to come to disney plus and even then it's a maybe for me. The quality has just dropped so hard after endgame. Rushed products to meet yearly deadlines. 

I almost think they just need to reset the entire universe and start with fantastic four and x men. 

[lightsout]

I'm firmly in my desire for Matt Reeves Bat-verse continuation and having a proper DC universe set in the tone of the comics in the last 20 years. Serious with characters having personality that break that darkness and lighten it in moments. Not cheaply done like in The Flash but done with some care.

Marvel jumped the shark and seem to be floundering trying to get their bearings. As stated, nobody gives a damn about the characters anymore.