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Bryce Haters Inc.

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Idk what BY will end up being but he’s playing some quality football right now at the end of year two. Well enough to win a lot of football games with a few more pieces around him.  It’s best case scenario considering how we all felt a few months ago.  I’m just going to enjoy that and cheer for him over the remaining few games.  He’s going to be the starter in 2025 and he earned it.  I see no reason to not be excited about all that.  But yall do you.  

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1 minute ago, Joe Bear said:

Fair. That really pisses me off. I'm not sure what Hubbard can do to atone for that fumble (though, granted, Pineiro turned into a horrible kicker the moment he had the accuracy record, so he'd definitely have missed). Legette is a rookie, and yet he's also a lost cause. Nobody with hands this bad ever turns it around. Move him to RB with the rest of them out.

I'm not giving up on XL yet, but it's disappointing.  I read somewhere he may have an injured wrist.

Hubbard has played hard all year. The fumble was bad, I'm not giving him a pass exactly but I'm not judging him off it alone either.

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3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Serious question: those of you that think that he's "just serviceable", have you watched the last 3 weeks? Have you watched any other teams? I'm just not really getting it.

It's too early to say he's some franchise saving QB, but he's balling. And being let down by his supporting cast or he'd be 4-2 since coming back.

I think that's entering into a different conversation altogether when using words like "balling" and comparing his output to others. The NFC is comically weak. What counts for franchise QB play now compared to years past is if we're being honest not that impressive. People who haven't been watching football long might see it differently. But a year 2 Cam Newton in this iteration of the league and NFC would likely have this team in playoff contention IMO.

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9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I disagree, he doesn't have the physical tools, his "potential" is severely limited because of that fact.

Before these last few weeks he's been so bad that people are confusing serviceable with true franchise QB potential.

He was the #1 overall pick and he's looking barely serviceable at the end of his 2nd season, that's not a good thing, he should have been looking like this from game 1 last year.


Not every players path is the same.

Not everyone improves on a linear trajectory.

At this point, his potential is the same as Strouds.

Time will tell.

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He's looking much better. I'm still very skeptical that he'll prove to be a high level starter.

Same here. I have never denied his progress since the benching. Definitely think he a different player. Now is that player good enough for what we need to be a contender? Not sold on that...im the type of person I think there is levels to everything and my whole argument from the start is that i don't see bryces level in the league being good enough and i havent moved off that. I think the o line and chuba is also helping him out a lot in comparison to what other qbs get. Not many teams can push the eagles around like they did today. I think a big indicator will be how he comes back next year progression wise for the whole season, the rest of this year has been all about erasing the guy we saw the first 2 weeks. My thing is You cant be forced to the bench for an extended period for bad play and come back and be labeled a franchise qb all in the same year. I mean honestly, how much do you even see that happen? He just has to continue to show progression and next year make a big leap.

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Just now, mav1234 said:

I'm not giving up on XL yet, but it's disappointing.  I read somewhere he may have an injured wrist.

Hubbard has played hard all year. The fumble was bad, I'm not giving him a pass exactly but I'm not judging him off it alone either.

I can't trust Legette to make a play and if you can't trust a guy to ever do anything right, there's no point having him on the team. I get that he's a rookie but he's been fascinatingly performing worse and worse every week. At this rate, I'd be thrilled if he could get packaged in a trade early next year before his value truly tanks.

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I’m 100% encouraged by how competitive the team has been recently.  We still don’t know how to win but the fight is there and the team and staff are improving without doubt.  It has been a long time since we saw improvement.  It feels like we’re on the right track and that now includes Bryce.  I’m actually eager to watch the team play.  I’ve been very critical of Bryce and it was deserved at the time.  He’s playing much better of late and he deserves credit for that now.

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2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I disagree, he doesn't have the physical tools, his "potential" is severely limited because of that fact.

Before these last few weeks he's been so bad that people are confusing serviceable with true franchise QB potential.

He was the #1 overall pick and he's looking barely serviceable at the end of his 2nd season, that's not a good thing, he should have been looking like this from game 1 last year.

He doesn’t have freak arm talent. But he has freak touch and timing with his throws. He’s also a good scrambler. He’s easily displayed the best ball a QB has shown with a Panthers jersey since Cam. He’s at least as good as Delhomme was. I will stand on business on that. 

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9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I disagree, he doesn't have the physical tools, his "potential" is severely limited because of that fact.

Before these last few weeks he's been so bad that people are confusing serviceable with true franchise QB potential.

He was the #1 overall pick and he's looking barely serviceable at the end of his 2nd season, that's not a good thing, he should have been looking like this from game 1 last year.

Tell me you haven't watched a game in weeks, without telling me.

To anyone who watches the games it is clear as day he is a franchise level QB. He is making plays out of NOWHERE and keeping us alive every down.

-O-line misses a block, instant pressure in the backfield that should be a sack? Young escapes, looks downfield and throws a great ball to his receivers

-WR drops the ball on second down? No problem converts on 3rd down. 

-Standing in the pocket as it collapses to hit his guys in stride 

-Game on the line, he elevates his play. We had no business after all of the penalties and miscues being in the game at the end. Yet here he is driving the ball down against the 4th ranked defense with JAGs and Thielen. 

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Bryce has played where we realistically could be on a 5 game win streak

and that with basically trash D and a weak supporting cast given their youth.  That’s exactly what we want to see from him

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17 minutes ago, Tbe said:


He’s doing well for a 2nd year QB with bad WRs.

He’s not elite, but the potential is there.

A rod still sucks with wilson and adams.

Caleb sucks with dj, odunze and Allen. 

Bryce is playing well with x and thielen as his top 2 and x is playing like young is throwing grenades. 

I wonder if there is a stat for yards and tds dropped. Young would probably be leading the league

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3 minutes ago, frankw said:

I think that's entering into a different conversation altogether when using words like "balling" and comparing his output to others. The NFC is comically weak. What counts for franchise QB play now compared to years past is if we're being honest not that impressive. People who haven't been watching football long might see it differently. But a year 2 Cam Newton in this iteration of the league and NFC would likely have this team in playoff contention IMO.

Cam was a god amongst men. His physical attributes were able to cheat a lot of things wrong with the roster. Bryce is a different type of player but we have a better coach and smarter FO than Cam ever had and they will design a team around the QB this time. 

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