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23 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That is sort of what I mean. He isn't even a real EDGE. He is a LB in ED clothing. 

LB in EDGE clothing doesn't get 12 sacks playing a Big 10 schedule. This was the knock on Micah Parsons too and I bought it at the time. Not making that mistake again.

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On 1/10/2025 at 5:30 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Lawrence Taylor was 240.

 

I should have worded it better, I meant the last very small edge with success at both is von. LT is the best defender in NFL history. Still Many OTs during his era were in the 280 range, with him it didn't matter tho. Just like with any spot a ultra small player is against the odds. I think Carter will measure small figures against a few categories.  

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16 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Carter might go top 5, kiper was just saying on the draft special other day that he heard teams really love walker too so he might not be there either when we pick. Imma be pissed if we miss out on both of them. 

Kiper is not a guy I would listen to. There are a lot of good NFL draft guys now and he is one of the absolute worst.

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15 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Kiper is not a guy I would listen to. There are a lot of good NFL draft guys now and he is one of the absolute worst.

Well it wasnt his opinion he was quoting. He said he talked to execs in the league and a lot of them really liked walker. For the record I don't care much for kiper either but that wasn't his opinion he was just relaying what he heard. 

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The size thing doesn't get to me.  I feel many still are looking through the 3-down 4-3 lens.

This basically IS the prototypical modern EDGE size minus the outliers who can play all schemes and are 6'4+, 260+.  Miller, Parsons & Mack examples aside, just look at the younger blooming guys right now:

Anderson Jr. 6'4 243, Bonitto 6'3 240, Tuli is 6'3 265, Byron Young 6'2 250, Highsmith 6'4 242, Huff 6'3 255, Verse is 6'4 260, Herbig 6'2 240....

Even TJ Watt's playing weight is in the 250s.  It's about playing strength.  Taking from that list above- PIT has 3 main rotation pieces at the edge that are 255, 242, & 240.   

That being said, I'm still really lukewarm about this kid.  

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