XL is out here being a hero!

[LinvilleGorge]

20 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

I am cool with it creating outs, but not outright banning an individual from doing something.

You can't "ban" someone from doing something contractually. All you can do is create consequences for it within the framework of that contract. It's not like the Panthers could have the law show up and arrest him for riding a four wheeler because he's not allowed to in the contract. LOL 

[BlazeCarolina]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You can't "ban" someone from doing something contractually. All you can do is create consequences for it within the framework of that contract. It's not like the Panthers could have the law show up and arrest him for riding a four wheeler because he's not allowed to in the contract. LOL 

Good to hear.  I have lost faith in a lot of things lately as bad as things have gotten and deemed it a plausible thing.

I am interested in what the supposed penalty would be for a prohibited activity.

They are banned from betting, but I know that is not relevant to this conversation.

[Jon Snow]

36 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

Doesn't make it right.  And as you put it, you wanted to ban him from being country, which is essentially policing who he is as a person lol 

I get protecting the "asset", but banning people from living their life is crazy.

Russell Wilson likes to play helicopter pilot.  I would deem that WAY more dangerous.  Those things scare me.  I still wouldn't want to keep him from doing it if I were his boss.  I would just try not to think about it, haha.

Guaranteed money has to be protected. If there were no guarantees with pay I doubt the owners care what players do as long as it's legal.

It's just the reality of the business in the nfl. 

[csx]

The audacity of him getting muddy!

 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, BlazeCarolina said:

Doesn't make it right.  And as you put it, you wanted to ban him from being country, which is essentially policing who he is as a person lol 

I get protecting the "asset", but banning people from living their life is crazy.

Russell Wilson likes to play helicopter pilot.  I would deem that WAY more dangerous.  Those things scare me.  I still wouldn't want to keep him from doing it if I were his boss.  I would just try not to think about it, haha.

right?  they have a choice to to choose to make absurd money playing a game. 

a team has the right to protect themselves if the highly paid athletes like to dabble in say motocross in the offseason and to discourage that type activity. 

I mean, Mahomes can still go play pickup ball all offseason.   He doesn't go to jail or get cut.  But if he gets hurt.....it impacts his money.   So he is discouraged from doing it....which IMO makes total sense.  

XL is basically a bona fide country kid with money.  That means ATVs, horses, and all sorts of fun.   I think the Panthers should discourage his risky fun.....just like with anyone else.  ATV accidents happen all the time.  You know why XL was so eager to help and was helpful? Because is clearly an ATV guy.  Our hero didn't stumble across some stranger stuck.  They were messing around as country folks do. 

[BlazeCarolina]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

right?  they have a choice to to choose to make absurd money playing a game. 

a team has the right to protect themselves if the highly paid athletes like to dabble in say motocross in the offseason and to discourage that type activity. 

I mean, Mahomes can still go play pickup ball all offseason.   He doesn't go to jail or get cut.  But if he gets hurt.....it impacts his money.   So he is discouraged from doing it....which IMO makes total sense.  

XL is basically a bona fide country kid with money.  That means ATVs, horses, and all sorts of fun.   I think the Panthers should discourage his risky fun.....just like with anyone else.  ATV accidents happen all the time.  You know why XL was so eager to help and was helpful? Because is clearly an ATV guy.  Our hero didn't stumble across some stranger stuck.  They were messing around as country folks do. 

I have no problem with placing the risk with the player.  Should be his choice to make though.  He's a life long country boy, he should know what he is getting himself into.

None of us want to see him get injured.

I am surprised we haven't heard more about Russell Wilson and his helicoptering, but maybe he has chilled out since Kobe's tragic incident.  I probably wouldn't hear about it anyway, as I just stick to Panthers stuff.

[shaqattaq]

2 hours ago, TD alt said:

I wonder how many athletes ride ATVs. Suffice it to say that X isn't nearly the only one. I mean, yeah if you're out there being irresponsible it can become an issue as far as safety is concerned. Other than that, it's just something to do. The trails in SC can't compare to the ones in CO (but still fun). The scenario in the vid was no big deal though. Dude got stuck; X helped him get out. The camera man wasn't about to get in the mud, hence all his stupid comments. You could tell that he was young.

TBF... Her was standing on dry land in an immaculate white T-shirt before his boy got stuck.

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

XL needs his contract reworked already.  Basically that outlaws him from being a country boy going forward. 

He is an underwhelming player on a cheap rookie deal. The type of clauses you are talking about would be something to discuss if he ever panned out and signed a large second contract. Otherwise, nothing to see here other than someone building their "brand."

Someone will eventually have to explain to me how this guy, who is not productive at all on the field, gets all this adulation for his oddball off field/on field antics and schtick but Cam got absolutely pilloried for his oddball antics while being arguably the best player in franchise history.

[HaricotVert]

16 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Someone will eventually have to explain to me how this guy, who is not productive at all on the field, gets all this adulation for his oddball off field/on field antics and schtick but Cam got absolutely pilloried for his oddball antics while being arguably the best player in franchise history.

Im not sure that someone could honestly post that difference without catching a ban.

[csx]

38 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He is an underwhelming player on a cheap rookie deal. The type of clauses you are talking about would be something to discuss if he ever panned out and signed a large second contract. Otherwise, nothing to see here other than someone building their "brand."

Someone will eventually have to explain to me how this guy, who is not productive at all on the field, gets all this adulation for his oddball off field/on field antics and schtick but Cam got absolutely pilloried for his oddball antics while being arguably the best player in franchise history.

14 years ago and many  different people involved. Cam was a QB who had been in the spotlight for bad and good reasons for years.

If Leggette had been a QB and done what Cam did in the SEC he would have ruffled the good ole boy feathers too

Edited 7 hours ago by csx

[Pejorative Miscreant]

39 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

 

Someone will eventually have to explain to me how this guy, who is not productive at all on the field, gets all this adulation for his oddball off field/on field antics and schtick but Cam got absolutely pilloried for his oddball antics while being arguably the best player in franchise history.

Good question and I don't have a good answer.  If I had to guess it might have something to do with the Aw Shucks approach that people may feel as being more genuine. 

None of this stuff is going to matter if  XL cant catch the damn ball though.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Good question and I don't have a good answer.  If I had to guess it might have something to do with the Aw Shucks approach that people may feel as being more genuine. 

None of this stuff is going to matter if  XL cant catch the damn ball though.

I generally believe that XL is less genuine with his schtick than Cam was. But, I know neither at a personal level, so I have no way to truly know. I know that if Sam Darnold or Matt Corrall was doing all the poo Cam did on/off the field and getting XL level coverage, I would be pretty over it too.

Not saying I have any issue with XL's antics but Cam's production outweighed the sideshow that he was. Currently XL is 98% sideshow and 2% production.

[CRA]

56 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I generally believe that XL is less genuine with his schtick than Cam was. But, I know neither at a personal level, so I have no way to truly know. I know that if Sam Darnold or Matt Corrall was doing all the poo Cam did on/off the field and getting XL level coverage, I would be pretty over it too.

Not saying I have any issue with XL's antics but Cam's production outweighed the sideshow that he was. Currently XL is 98% sideshow and 2% production.

I don’t feel XL actively is seeking all the attention he gets.  Sometimes it approaches a border line of them making fun of him or using his uniqueness him for clicks.  Especially last year. 

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, BlazeCarolina said:

I know my opinion/stance doesn't matter, but just to be clear, I would be cool if it were like...

If you do this and get hurt, it invalidates your contract.

Versus you are banned from doing this activity being not cool.

Make the player assume the risk for their behavior and danger level.

I think--don't quote me--that based on what the guys I knew said (20+ years ago) it was that way.  I was shooting basketball with a guy who played LB for the Chiefs and he told that he could dunk.  I said, "If you could dunk, you would do it and not tell me about it." He said, "If I broke an ankle, it would violate my contract."  (paraphrasing).  Not sure what would happen if they found out he was playing but did not injure himself.

And your opinion does matter, dammit all to Hell!!!

Edited 5 hours ago by MHS831