Cherelus down. We need to be talking about LBs even more

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, TD alt said:

What I learned from this thread: any ol' linebacker off the waiver wire will do when it comes to backups. They all come with the same strengths and weakness, and are basically carbon copy throwaways. Equally of no importance, is their importance on special teams. 

LOL

Literally no one has said this. You always pull this act when you fail to sell your viewpoints.

[TD alt]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

LOL

Literally no one has said this. You always pull this act when you fail to sell your viewpoints.

The point of a football message board is to discuss issues or potential issues regarding the the team. The point of the linked article, like any thoughtful fan knows, is that we're likely to pick up a linebacker because we need to pick up a linebacker. Moreover, the point is is that I ended the original post with, "I guess we'll see come cuts." 

As for Cherelus, this season now, if people think he's so easily replaceable, that's there opinion, but that's really not the point, but I can almost guarantee that the coaches as a unit would disagree with that point. 

 

[TD alt]

And, by the way, there is such a word as "inference," and the phrase, "reading between the lines," (though it has literally been said in this thread that Cherelus is easy to replace). But, I've already said that I doubt the coaches, to a man, would agree that Cherelus is so easily replaced. That's a simplistic notion in my opinion. This is the NFL, not some peewee league.

Edited August 8 by TD alt

[LinvilleGorge]

I'm talking about how you get all emo and have to grossly oversimplify everyone else's takes because you don't have the mental horsepower to actually argue against them and you have to resort to exactly this type of embarrassing tactics where you desperately try to come off as intelligent but end up coming across like a juvenile midwit.

Just make your points and don't take it so personal when people disagree. Good grief, man. We're just talking about football. It's gonna be alright.

[shaq]

The one undeniable mistake Dan Morgan has made was letting Frankie Luvu walk last offseason. We had developed him into one of the best LBS in the league and let him walk in his prime for nothing in return, dude was just an All Pro last season. 

[Panthers Fan 69]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

No non qb is ever worth 2 firsts and a max deal

Luke was

[PleaseCutStewart]

18 hours ago, TD alt said:

It's been well over 24 hours, and I'm surprised that no one here has talked about Claudin Cherelus going down, and the fact that there hasn't been any new updates as of yet. He has a "groin issue," but how long is he expected to be down? Sure, we signed Krys Barnes a few days ago, but he was meant to be depth. If either Christian Rozeboom or Trevin Wallace go down, a perceived weakness is now even weaker, and that's before we even get to the season. 

Our old Panthers Wire friend Tim Weaver, now turned to SI thinks that Morgan has to acquire someone.

"Looking ahead, Rozeboom and Trevin Wallace are projected to start for the Panthers. If either one of them were to go down, it could mean a guaranteed disaster in the middle of this defense. General manager Dan Morgan has little choice but to sign a proven vet at this spot before the season begins."

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/carolina-panthers-jaycee-horn-update-car-accident

I guess we'll see come cuts. 

 

Don't worry. Rumor is Bobby Boucher is available to sign

[PantherChris]

3 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

The Browns got a middle linebacker in the 2nd round that is looking an awful lot like Luke Kuechly to me. 
 

obviously you’re not going to replace Luke, a Hall of Famer (in my opinion). My issue is that we didn’t even try. With Derrick Brown in place, our next move should have to been to evaluate and find an inside linebacker, then a safety, then you go outside. 
 

I love Jaycee but having a Top 7 corner in the NFL netted us the worst defense in NFL history last year. 

Lol Sweisgenger may be good but the dude doesn't even really compare to Luke athleticly other that a similar vertical....   much slower 40 3 cone...

What made Luke great was that athletism combined with insane preparation command of the defense and ability to diagnose plays.

 

There really hasn't been an "Elite" MLB since luke retired (yea I know Wagner is still around even now but IMO he was never truly feared by offenses like Luke)

[mrcompletely11]

36 minutes ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Luke was

Sure buddy

[PantherChris]

2 hours ago, shaq said:

The one undeniable mistake Dan Morgan has made was letting Frankie Luvu walk last offseason. We had developed him into one of the best LBS in the league and let him walk in his prime for nothing in return, dude was just an All Pro last season. 

I don't think that was so much on Morgan, Luvuu didn't want to play in Evaros defense wanted to blitz more.

[PantherChris]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Sure buddy

In his prime? They definitely could have gotten 2 first for him in 2013.....

 

In today's NFL? Probably not 

[mrcompletely11]

36 minutes ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Luke was

Sure buddy

[CPcavedweller]

2 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Lol Sweisgenger may be good but the dude doesn't even really compare to Luke athleticly other that a similar vertical....   much slower 40 3 cone...

What made Luke great was that athletism combined with insane preparation command of the defense and ability to diagnose plays.

 

There really hasn't been an "Elite" MLB since luke retired (yea I know Wagner is still around even now but IMO he was never truly feared by offenses like Luke)

The dude for the Colts was really good for a few years, I forgot his name. 

I know that Luke was a unicorn. That said, instead of finding even above average LB play in the middle has not been on the teams to do list, and it's shown. We went from one end of the spectrum to the other, and I really, really hate it. There is nothing more beautiful than seeing an ILB just blast out of nowhere into the backfield to chase a back to the sideline. Or take off upfield against a tight end and bat a ball away. 

As I said though, we have a Top 7 corner in the league, and we finished with the worst defense in NFL history. For everyone saying that corner is more important than defensive linemen and the interior of the defense, you're crazy. College corners are more important because the hashes are wider and you've got more ground to cover. In the NFL, the play action is condensed and that middle of the defense becomes that much more important.

Note, Sweisenger is going to be the next great MLB in the league. He may not be Luke but he is that quintessential type of dude. 

[CPcavedweller]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Sure buddy

Luke absolutely was. He was almost as important as a quarterback. I don't know if they quantify wins and losses attributed to linebacker but if they do, Luke was undervalued. He was a top 10 player in the league for years, and should be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Had Luke played for the Ravens, he undoubtedly would have been a first ballot. 

Instead he languished here, and ultimately helped build a culture which the two Dave's worked to ruin.