Team will never be good as long as Tepper owns the team

[Panthers Fan 69]

David Tepper and Dan Snyder are Billionaire losers that ruin franchises. 

[countryboi]

yall do this silly poo every year. I worked at the stadium Tepper is never in that office but Dan Morgan was in the office every day. Place the blame on the people making the day to day decisions. 

[Seltzer]

42 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, certainly seems this way. We all keep hoping for a turnaround but y'all I'm just not seeing it. Maybe this year will be the year where the preseason doesn't matter and we flip a switch and magically look competent come the regular season but I wouldn't bet a dime on it.

Where is the narrative that this team doesn't look competent come from?

Every single report from national writers from camp has been how much better the talent is.

This team has cooked in the joint practices where there are actual legitimate reps in a true 1 vs 1 environment to replicate a game.

The game reps in preseason are extremely limited and dont generally even give the scenarios for evaluation coaches are looking for, which is why they dont prioritize them.

Yeah the games have been tough to watch. 

But how upset can people really be over 3rd stringers who mostly wont be on this team in 2 weeks... I genuinely dont understand it.

T-Mac already looks like a true #1. There is video evidence of him running away from Stingley (who is touted to be one of the best CBs in the league) twice. How can you not be excited about that?

Scourton looks really good. He was the top rated rookie defender last week. Hope hes back soon.

Corey Thornton looks like a legit starting caliber CB as an UDFA. That is a massive win.

Princley flashed out there today both and a run defender and pass rusher.

Etienne looked the best out of the RBs although he got the most chances.

People who can't see some positives... i dont think you really understand what preseason is for.

I am concerned about the defensive depth. I thought we might be good there but I think Dan Morgan needs to be scouring the waiver wire there.

Im not blind. But there are plenty of positives.

Anybody getting upset over Bryce’s 4 dropbacks today (which included a perfect ball to Sanders) needs professional help.

The next 3 weeks are the hardest bc so the coverage will be limited since TC is over and the practices closed.

Bring on Jacksonville... Keep Pounding!

 

[frankw]

If looking good in practice actually meant anything the Panthers wouldn't be careening into their 8th consecutive losing season.

Edited Sunday at 12:29 AM by frankw

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Where is the narrative that this team doesn't look competent come from?

Every single report from national writers from camp has been how much better the talent is.

This team has cooked in the joint practices where there are actual legitimate reps in a true 1 vs 1 environment to replicate a game.

The game reps in preseason are extremely limited and dont generally even give the scenarios for evaluation coaches are looking for, which is why they dont prioritize them.

Yeah the games have been tough to watch. 

But how upset can people really be over 3rd stringers who mostly wont be on this team in 2 weeks... I genuinely dont understand it.

T-Mac already looks like a true #1. There is video evidence of him running away from Stingley (who is touted to be one of the best CBs in the league) twice. How can you not be excited about that?

Scourton looks really good. He was the top rated rookie defender last week. Hope hes back soon.

Corey Thornton looks like a legit starting caliber CB as an UDFA. That is a massive win.

Princley flashed out there today both and a run defender and pass rusher.

Etienne looked the best out of the RBs although he got the most chances.

People who can't see some positives... i dont think you really understand what preseason is for.

I am concerned about the defensive depth. I thought we might be good there but I think Dan Morgan needs to be scouring the waiver wire there.

Im not blind. But there are plenty of positives.

Anybody getting upset over Bryce’s 4 dropbacks today (which included a perfect ball to Sanders) needs professional help.

The next 3 weeks are the hardest bc so the coverage will be limited since TC is over and the practices closed.

Bring on Jacksonville... Keep Pounding!

 

I hope you're right but I think you're setting yourself up for a massive disappointment. I'm done doing that to myself with this team.

[PNW_PantherMan]

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

If looking good in practice actually meant anything the Panthers wouldn't be careening into their 8th consecutive losing season.

[Tbe]

8 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Where is the narrative that this team doesn't look competent come from?

Every single report from national writers from camp has been how much better the talent is.

This team has cooked in the joint practices where there are actual legitimate reps in a true 1 vs 1 environment to replicate a game.

The game reps in preseason are extremely limited and dont generally even give the scenarios for evaluation coaches are looking for, which is why they dont prioritize them.

Yeah the games have been tough to watch. 

But how upset can people really be over 3rd stringers who mostly wont be on this team in 2 weeks... I genuinely dont understand it.

T-Mac already looks like a true #1. There is video evidence of him running away from Stingley (who is touted to be one of the best CBs in the league) twice. How can you not be excited about that?

Scourton looks really good. He was the top rated rookie defender last week. Hope hes back soon.

Corey Thornton looks like a legit starting caliber CB as an UDFA. That is a massive win.

Princley flashed out there today both and a run defender and pass rusher.

Etienne looked the best out of the RBs although he got the most chances.

People who can't see some positives... i dont think you really understand what preseason is for.

I am concerned about the defensive depth. I thought we might be good there but I think Dan Morgan needs to be scouring the waiver wire there.

Im not blind. But there are plenty of positives.

Anybody getting upset over Bryce’s 4 dropbacks today (which included a perfect ball to Sanders) needs professional help.

The next 3 weeks are the hardest bc so the coverage will be limited since TC is over and the practices closed.

Bring on Jacksonville... Keep Pounding!

 

That was the narrative last year and the year before.

The media is never negative towards teams this time of year.

[PadresPanthersFan]

I'm gunna probably get pooed for this but to play devils advocate yes the team has been terrible for years. Yes tepper has made a bunch of mistakes. 

But he is not the worst major sports team owner by a Longshot. For that look at the Sacramento a's or Colorado rockies owners. They are terrible. 

He made a major mistake with rhule. He tried to use his money and got an "all star " staff with Reich. That was a terrible mistake. 

He has switched to a fresh faced coach with some limited experience- he's TBD

But imo tepper wants to win badly. That's why now he's blowing all his money on udfa and that has at least begun to pay dividends.  

He still needs to put grass over turf and build a better practice facility but he is trying to win. And from what little I can see he has cut back on his meddling ( he's no Jerry Jones or al davis) he's spending his money, and he wants to win. There are worse things an owner can be. Is he perfect? No way. But he's learning and trying and imo getting better

[Seltzer]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I hope you're right but I think you're setting yourself up for a massive disappointment. I'm done doing that to myself with this team.

I understand that. And it's a perfectly reasonable take after 7 years of poo.

But at least for the offense, I am confident. Too much talent and Bryce turned the corner last year. Only way that goes sideways is Oline injuries IMHO.

As for defense... I do think we will be better, maybe much better, against the run. Of course statistically it would be almost impossible to be worse.

I do still worry about pass rush. Im betting we still blitz a lot like last year.

Honestly, a lot about the preseason games is meaningless. But we were struggling with pass rush in the joint practices also.

Hopefully, we have 3 guys now in Jaycee, Mike Jack, & Thornton who excel in playing man. That is probably going to be our best bet for getting pressure.

I dont understand the Nick Scott obsession. 75% of the time it seems like hes on the wrong side of plays.

I want to remind everyone we have plenty of cap space...

The coaches, especially on defensive side, have said they can win with the guys we have... 

[hepcat]

Water is wet 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Seltzer said:

I understand that. And it's a perfectly reasonable take after 7 years of poo.

But at least for the offense, I am confident. Too much talent and Bryce turned the corner last year. Only way that goes sideways is Oline injuries IMHO.

As for defense... I do think we will be better, maybe much better, against the run. Of course statistically it would be almost impossible to be worse.

I do still worry about pass rush. Im betting we still blitz a lot like last year.

Honestly, a lot about the preseason games is meaningless. But we were struggling with pass rush in the joint practices also.

Hopefully, we have 3 guys now in Jaycee, Mike Jack, & Thornton who excel in playing man. That is probably going to be our best bet for getting pressure.

I dont understand the Nick Scott obsession. 75% of the time it seems like hes on the wrong side of plays.

I want to remind everyone we have plenty of cap space...

The coaches, especially on defensive side, have said they can win with the guys we have... 

I can only go off what I've seen and what I've seen ain't good. I understand there's been positive reports out of joint trainings etc. but when they've taken the field and I've had a chance to lay eyes on them, oh wee mayne.

[Seltzer]

12 minutes ago, frankw said:

If looking good in practice actually meant anything the Panthers wouldn't be careening into their 8th consecutive losing season.

Fair enough, but to discount the 70 snaps in a padded joint practice that is game conditions except for tackling, and focusing on 4 dropbacks ain't it either.

Thats the point im trying to make.

Ultimately, I think everyone here is entitled & justified in how they feel.

It has been the most putrid stretch in franchise history. I've lived it just like everyone here has.

We'll see in 3 weeks. Sucks we really won't have much to analyze until then.

[uncfan888]

21 minutes ago, countryboi said:

yall do this silly poo every year. I worked at the stadium Tepper is never in that office but Dan Morgan was in the office every day. Place the blame on the people making the day to day decisions. 

Who hired Dan Morgan? And Scott fitterer? 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Seltzer said:

Fair enough, but to discount the 70 snaps in a padded joint practice that is game conditions except for tackling, and focusing on 4 dropbacks ain't it either.

Thats the point im trying to make.

Ultimately, I think everyone here is entitled & justified in how they feel.

It has been the most putrid stretch in franchise history. I've lived it just like everyone here has.

We'll see in 3 weeks. Sucks we really won't have much to analyze until then.

And therein lies the key issue. It's not at all like game conditions. In the actual game conditions they've looked atrocious so far.