Moton extension. 2 more years, $44M

[TD alt]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And the NFL has told you through actual contracts that literally half the league's starting QBs are worth more than the best pass rushers or any other position for that matter.

So, you think that just because more than half the teams are overpaying for a QB, that means they're right? Give me a break.  Pass rushers are the second highest paid for a reason, and many of them are better football players than the QBs they play for. 

Edited 5 hours ago by TD alt

[carpanfan96]

55 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

someone suggested we could trade him but nah that salary is on us.   fuging nuts, absolute nuts to do this deal on Aug 22.   It quite literally makes zero sense.  Who the fug we signing, who the fug we trading for that is going to move the needle one bit at this point?

If it looks like I expect it to look... He's not tradable at all. 

 

Best guess based on what I've seen. 

 

2025-2027 with 2028 void year. 

2025 - 8m salary with 23.75m cap hit with partial salary, plus his roster and workout bonuses converted to a signing bonus with void year in 2028. 4.3m salary guaranteed. 

23m - 19m guaranteed / 25.5m cap

27m  - 21m guaranteed 29.5m cap

2028 -  2.5m cap hit

This is if the reports that his salary this year was changed and converted. If not, it's much simpler of a deal by a long shot. 

We know that he has an average salary per year of 19.4 and a guaranteed salary per year of 18.1m from 2025-2027. We also know that he has 54.3m guaranteed over the three years, which is how we get the 54.3m. So he's due 58.4m over the next 3 years in salary and 54.3m in guaranteed salary. 

So as of right now counting the signing bonus, his dead cap hits the next four seasons are as follows. 

2025 - 81.25m

2026 - 57.5m

2027 - 32m 

2028 - 2.5m 

This is of course a rough guess work of the information that's currently available. 

 

I think I did my math correctly. lol 

Edited 5 hours ago by carpanfan96

[carpanfan96]

6 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I can see and agree with your point here but the money from restructures is a sunk cost.  New money being less than average for a player of his quality was a win for the front office.  Getting almost all of it guaranteed is a win for the player.  The whole deal is just smart football.  He is as healthy as any other vet high end tackle with a history of being on the field. 

There's plenty of risk but that is the case with every NFL contract.  The pros greatly outweigh the cons with the only two cons I can see if the guaranteed money being high and he's not a spring chicken.  Both valid worries but his ability, character, play on the field, salary, and not having to watch Bryce run for his life are worth those risks IMHO.

He's 6th in RT average salary per year and first in guaranteed money per year among RT. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, TD alt said:

So, you think that just because more than half the teams are overpaying for a QB, that means they're right? Give me a break.  Pass rushers are the second highest paid for a reason, and many of them are better football players than the QBs they play for. 

I didn't say they were right. I said it's proof that the NFL values the QB position by far and away over every other position. It's not debatable. That's why you don't even entertain trading multiple 1sts and more for any non-QB unless you're certain you have QB solved.

[TD alt]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Agreed. And there's no value to parting with that type of haul unless you're certain that you have the most important position solved.

No need to keep repeating the same thing. That's your opinion. The Rams built a team and dropped a QB in there, and so did the 49ers. 

[TD alt]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I didn't say they were right. I said it's proof that the NFL values the QB position by far and away over every other position. It's not debatable. That's why you don't even entertain trading multiple 1sts and more for any non-QB unless you're certain you have QB solved.

No one said that it wasn't the most important, but you don't stop building your team because you don't have your "QB solved." That's crazy. You build as you can and keep filling in holes. 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

No need to keep repeating the same thing. That's your opinion. The Rams built a team and dropped a QB in there, and so did the 49ers. 

They didn't "drop" a QB in there. They swung a huge trade for a QB. Something you can't do if you're shopping off all your draft capital every two or three years.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, TD alt said:

No one said that it wasn't the most important, but you don't stop building your team because you don't have your "QB solved." That's crazy. You build as you can and keep filling in holes. 

You don't stop building but you don't part with massive roster building capital for non-QBs unless you have a QB. This isn't that hard to figure out. It's the hardest position to get right. The NFL shows you that by the way they pay them.

[TD alt]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

They didn't "drop" a QB in there. They swung a huge trade for a QB. Something you can't do if you're shopping off all your draft capital every two or three years.

Semantics don't matter. The Rams were a serious contender for a few years (hell, they still are) without their QB position solved. Hell, the Eagles were arguably the same way. People talked poo about Hurts (and still do). Let's not even talk about Carson Wentz and Nic Foles. You have to keep on building your team regardless if you're sure about the QB or not.

[TD alt]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You don't stop building but you don't part with massive roster building capital for non-QBs unless you have a QB. This isn't that hard to figure out. It's the hardest position to get right. The NFL shows you that by the way they pay them.

You don't pass up on a young generational pass rusher unless you absolutely can't make it work. That's not hard to figure out either.

[TD alt]

I'm not going to let you talk about Parsons as if he isn't actually on pace to be the best pass rusher of all time. That's to be valued and looked into. It's as simple as that. 

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Semantics don't matter. The Rams were a serious contender for a few years (hell, they still are) without their QB position solved. Hell, the Eagles were arguably the same way. People talked poo about Hurts (and still do). Let's not even talk about Carson Wentz and Nic Foles. You have to keep on building your team regardless if you're sure about the QB or not.

Sure you do. You know what those teams did? They drafted well for years. They didn't trade massive assets for non-QBs when they didn't have the QB position solved. 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, TD alt said:

You don't pass up on a young generational pass rusher unless you absolutely can't make it work. That's not hard to figure out either.

You do if you don't have a QB. Find me any team that didn't have the QB position solved that has traded multiple firsts for a non-QB i the modern era. There's a reason for that.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I'm not going to let you talk about Parsons as if he isn't actually on pace to be the best pass rusher of all time. That's to be valued and looked into. It's as simple as that. 

And he's gonna put up big stat numbers for 6-7 win teams if we swing this deal. That's what you want? You wanna strut around and brag about having the best pass rusher in the league while the Cowboys draft in the top 10 with our picks?