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OFFICIAL Week 1: Panthers @ Jaguars Game Day Thread


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4 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Matt Moore was underrated and never given a fair chance to be the guy. I will die on that hill.

2008 Panthers with Matt Moore would have crushed Arizona in the divisional round.

I throughly enjoyed and appreciated Matt in the time he started, but I also am glad things went the way they did.  Had he been given his fair shot, we never get Cam.

but I also do believe Matt deserved to a be an NFL starter long-term.

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1 minute ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Yeah I agree but as quick as Tepper has been to fire makes me think DC or DM made the vouch. 

Morgan would be my guess. Can’t fathom that we would even consider interviewing anyone on Fitterer’s staff let alone hiring his right hand man

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4 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Matt Moore was underrated and never given a fair chance to be the guy. I will die on that hill.

2008 Panthers with Matt Moore would have crushed Arizona in the divisional round.

I thought he got a lot of chances with both us and Miami. Didn’t he start one season for us?

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So... definitely some things that need to be cleaned up but also some positives.

Bad

  • Bryce has had more bad plays than good. While he did a good job getting Dowdle lined up on the 3rd down conversion he has also underthrown Renfrow, missed TMac wide left, and then didn't see the DB in the area on the pick. Going to need a lot better than that for the team to not go looking for his replacement next year.
  • LBs are looking extra rough. Rozeboom has bounced off of tackles and Wallace seems to be out of position more often than not. There ain't much talent behind them either.
  • Pressure is coming from coverage creating second chances rather than guys winning on their first step still.

Good

  • The run game is looking really good even without Icky.
  • Wharton and Moehrig, the two big defensive signings, are leading the team in tackles at the delay. Both seem to just find their way to the ball.
  • The secondary in general is doing a good job of sticking in coverage + tackling. That LB group is making the middle of the field such a liability though.
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1 minute ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Yeah but dude as quick to fire people as Tepper is, you can’t tell me that wasn’t Morgan or Canales saying they could figure it out. I think if it was up to Tepper, Evero would have been gone last year. 

He always fires some and keeps others which is why he always has the same product in different ways. 2023 should have been a fire everyone and he didn't and here we are yet again. 

I think Morgan was on the Bryce train and he just brought his friend and admittedly his best option to do the impossible in the most controllable way. Tepper never left that train and this is the result of building around a dead end for 3 years in different ways. Good oline, good run game, open WRs and still a bottom dweller. Someone also has a blind spot for Evero and I am guessing that's from up top too...that or Morgan and DC are just that oblivious which seems like a stretch for their strengths and weaknesses. 

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Just now, cranky said:

Amazing. 15 minutes into the season and everyones already talking about how the season is already over - 15 minutes. 

Over? The season is not over, but at best something around middling. Woo hoo!  I think we'll top last year's win total. However, besting a pretty dreadful threshold isn't something to be giddy over unless it's significant.  It won't be.

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