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28 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

We don't have the personnel to field a strong front 7 in a 3-4 defense. They need to transition to a 4-3, but I don't think Tepper would allow it. DB would thrive in a 4-3 as a NT if he had at least one legit pass rusher on the line with him.

 

24 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Don't think it matters whether you have DB as a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 end when the rest of the front 7 just isn't very good. Dude is going to command double teams regardless on how we line him up.

I agree with both of you. My point is that since Rivera's last season in Carolina (2019) we have primarily a run a 3-4 and drafted our defensive players to field a 3-4 as our base defense. I was just saying we need to change direction next season. We should move DB to a 4-3 DT and find some true 4-3 lineman and a MLB to carry on the tradition of Dan Morgan, Jon Beason, and Luke. That alone would improve or run defense.

That said, I don't think we have the FO to these moves.

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5 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

 

I agree with both of you. My point is that since Rivera's last season in Carolina (2019) we have primarily a run a 3-4 and drafted our defensive players to field a 3-4 as our base defense. I was just saying we need to change direction next season. We should move DB to a 4-3 DT and find some true 4-3 lineman and a MLB to carry on the tradition of Dan Morgan, Jon Beason, and Luke. That alone would improve or run defense.

That said, I don't think we have the FO to these moves.

They need starters regardless of the base the chose to play. The only way they can fix that is through the draft. They've tried to buy the front seven since they can't draft one. They players not suitable for a 4-3 or a 3-4 scheme. They are mixed up group of career backups trying to be a versatile front defense under a guy who should have been canned 2 years ago.

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37 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

 

I agree with both of you. My point is that since Rivera's last season in Carolina (2019) we have primarily a run a 3-4 and drafted our defensive players to field a 3-4 as our base defense. I was just saying we need to change direction next season. We should move DB to a 4-3 DT and find some true 4-3 lineman and a MLB to carry on the tradition of Dan Morgan, Jon Beason, and Luke. That alone would improve or run defense.

That said, I don't think we have the FO to these moves.

We really haven't run that much 3-4 under Evero - and I would imagine even more so this season since we have inept ILBs. We have played a lot of nickel with an even front and we look just as bad in that as we do in 3-4.

The problem is we have had to dedicate so much drafting/free agency signing to offense to try and make Bryce look competent that we have completely neglected the defense and gone bargain bin shopping for most of our players. We aren't going to be able to find good linemen/linebackers quickly, although I do think Scourton and Princely have flexibility in being able to play 4-3 DE or edge rusher OLB (if they develop into starters).

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41 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

They need starters regardless of the base the chose to play. The only way they can fix that is through the draft. They've tried to buy the front seven since they can't draft one. They players not suitable for a 4-3 or a 3-4 scheme. They are mixed up group of career backups trying to be a versatile front defense under a guy who should have been canned 2 years ago.

Not sure how much say Evero has had in choosing our FA defensive players, but if these are guys he wanted, that is a fireable offense alone. It really is a hodgepodge of players that do not complement each other one bit.

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49 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

 

I agree with both of you. My point is that since Rivera's last season in Carolina (2019) we have primarily a run a 3-4 and drafted our defensive players to field a 3-4 as our base defense. I was just saying we need to change direction next season. We should move DB to a 4-3 DT and find some true 4-3 lineman and a MLB to carry on the tradition of Dan Morgan, Jon Beason, and Luke. That alone would improve or run defense.

That said, I don't think we have the FO to these moves.

Rivera started moving to mixed fronts the year before that too. Pretty sure it was a Tepper mandate. Run the 3-4 like the Steelers or else.  

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4 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

We really haven't run that much 3-4 under Evero - and I would imagine even more so this season since we have inept ILBs. We have played a lot of nickel with an even front and we look just as bad in that as we do in 3-4.

The problem is we have had to dedicate so much drafting/free agency signing to offense to try and make Bryce look competent that we have completely neglected the defense and gone bargain bin shopping for most of our players. We aren't going to be able to find good linemen/linebackers quickly, although I do think Scourton and Princely have flexibility in being able to play 4-3 DE or edge rusher OLB (if they develop into starters).

I don't think either do "Scourton or Princely" but if Princely gains weight I'd have more confidence in him getting it and playing well. Scourton playing end is what tanked his draft stock and why 4-3 teams weren't looking at him. 

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17 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Not sure how much say Evero has had in choosing our FA defensive players, but if these are guys he wanted, that is a fireable offense alone. It really is a hodgepodge of players that do not complement each other one bit.

This is the type of players he asked for to run his hybrid defense that no players fit.

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Hot takes during the first 24-hours

  • Run game looked good
  • Bryce looked bad
  • LBs looked terrible
  • Moehrig + Wharton looked good
  • TMac looked good

After the 24-hours

  • Run game did indeed look good
  • TMac also did indeed look good
  • Bryce wasn't that bad but he damn sure wasn't good either
  • Moehrig + Wharton were apparently not as good as I had thought? Still haven't gotten a chance to review the defensive all-22.
  • PFF grades confirmed that LBs were indeed gutter
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