2025 Salary Cap Offense/Defense

[CRA]

The entire past couple seasons the entire mission has been to build up the O to the detriment of the defense.  

we also spent our last 3 first round picks on the offense and went out in FA to cement the leagues most expensive OL in the NFL

No real point moaning about the D.  They were designed to be weak while we built up a good O.  Meanwhile the O has been at the league bottom the entire time.

we have an offensive issue.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

They followed the Saints / Brees blueprint - short, slow QB so had to significantly strengthen the iOL to compensate.

It's worked - the OLine is incredibly good now. Sadly the short, slow QB isn't. 

Not disagreeing about needing a strong IOL, just our method of doing it. The 2nd and 3rd rounds are the optimal place to find guards and centers, and we've spent picks on TMJ, Mingo, DJ Johnson, Tremble, Brooks, and even an overweight Deonte Brown instead of Trey Smith in the 6th. 

We just do things the hard and expensive way and its so damn frustrating. 

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

'That dude' is about to make his 30th career start despite putting up horrific numbers.

Who else in NFL history has been handed that long a leash? 

No one. Why do you think that is? Because they love Bryce Young's media presence, or because they realize the TEAM is an absolute shiite show that very few QBs could have success in? Knowing what you know about Tepper, which do you think is the reason? Don't try to overthink it. It's the obvious answer. These receivers aren't good - yet. Did you watch last night's game? How do you think our receivers stack up to GB and WAS receivers?

Hot take... Renfrow should have caught the pass he took a shot on. Sanders caught the exact same pass running the exact same route with the exact same hit later in the game. There was another pass down the sideline that Renfrow should have caught and got his feet inbounds. The pass that was thrown short was a bad throw by Bryce. He flat out missed that throw. No argument there - and a great play call/design by Canales. But a better receiver either catches the ball or draws a PI with the defender's back towards the ball. The defender never saw the ball. He 100% played the receiver. Bryce isn't exactly killing it, but his receivers aren't doing him any favors either. Their job is to make QBs right, not the other way around. Any Joe SHOULD be able to go out there and catch perfect passes in perfect calls where they're wide open. That doesn't make you an NFL wide receiver. 

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

No one. Why do you think that is? Because they love Bryce Young's media presence, or because they realize the TEAM is an absolute shiite show that very few QBs could have success in? Knowing what you know about Tepper, which do you think is the reason? Don't try to overthink it. It's the obvious answer. These receivers aren't good - yet. Did you watch last night's game? How do you think our receivers stack up to GB and WAS receivers?

Hot take... Renfrow should have caught the pass he took a shot on. Sanders caught the exact same pass running the exact same route with the exact same hit later in the game. There was another pass down the sideline that Renfrow should have caught and got his feet inbounds. The pass that was thrown short was a bad throw by Bryce. He flat out missed that throw. No argument there - and a great play call/design by Canales. But a better receiver either catches the ball or draws a PI with the defender's back towards the ball. The defender never saw the ball. He 100% played the receiver. Bryce isn't exactly killing it, but his receivers aren't doing him any favors either. Their job is to make QBs right, not the other way around. Any Joe SHOULD be able to go out there and catch perfect passes in perfect calls where they're wide open. That doesn't make you an NFL wide receiver. 

To say Bryce isn't exactly killing it... Man... He's so inconsistent he is atrocious. Since coming into the league he is the worst starting QB. Yes he had a decent period at the end of last year but so have countless other busts or mid tier starters. If he doesn't turn it around immediately it'll show last year was a mirage.

Our drafts have been going so heavy into the offense the last three years, and our FA has too, it's pathetic where it's at.

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

To say Bryce isn't exactly killing it... Man... He's so inconsistent he is atrocious. Since coming into the league he is the worst starting QB. Yes he had a decent period at the end of last year but so have countless other busts or mid tier starters. If he doesn't turn it around immediately it'll show last year was a mirage.

Our drafts have been going so heavy into the offense the last three years, and our FA has too, it's pathetic where it's at.

Yeah, he could absolutely be more consistent. But what QB do you want me to show you how they miss throws every game? You could probably pick any QB in the NFL and do a cut up of missed throws in every game - and they'll likely have better WRs than Carolina.

Well, there was that Jayden Daniels game last year where he completed like 90% of his passes. He was just in a friggin zone. Don't think I've ever seen anything like that before. But that ain't the norm. 

[CRA]

every season to date a very bad and completely washed Andy Dalton makes a token appearance to give us our passing high on the season.

to say other QBs couldn’t do anything is just nuts.  Big plays were all over the field Sunday and BY literally couldn’t make a single one of them happen 

[PleaseCutStewart]

6 hours ago, frankw said:

https://overthecap.com/positional-spending

We are 10th in offensive spending and 28th in defensive spending.

Much has been said about both sides of the ball in the last several days. Some want to blame the defense.

The numbers speak volumes.

Discuss.

And the only reason we are 28th is because we gave Horn a new contract in the offseason. Otherwise, we would be dead last

[OldhamA]

50 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Yeah, he could absolutely be more consistent. But what QB do you want me to show you how they miss throws every game? You could probably pick any QB in the NFL and do a cut up of missed throws in every game - and they'll likely have better WRs than Carolina.

Well, there was that Jayden Daniels game last year where he completed like 90% of his passes. He was just in a friggin zone. Don't think I've ever seen anything like that before. But that ain't the norm. 

It's arguable he missed two walk in TDs to Renfrow on Sunday - he threw one out of bounds and he underthrew the other. Renfrow had his man beat deep by 2 yards (NFL open) down the sidelines. 

QBs miss throws, that's the nature of the game. They also make throws, which Young simply doesn't do consistently enough. 

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

No one. Why do you think that is? Because they love Bryce Young's media presence, or because they realize the TEAM is an absolute shiite show that very few QBs could have success in? Knowing what you know about Tepper, which do you think is the reason? Don't try to overthink it. It's the obvious answer. These receivers aren't good - yet. Did you watch last night's game? How do you think our receivers stack up to GB and WAS receivers?

Hot take... Renfrow should have caught the pass he took a shot on. Sanders caught the exact same pass running the exact same route with the exact same hit later in the game. There was another pass down the sideline that Renfrow should have caught and got his feet inbounds. The pass that was thrown short was a bad throw by Bryce. He flat out missed that throw. No argument there - and a great play call/design by Canales. But a better receiver either catches the ball or draws a PI with the defender's back towards the ball. The defender never saw the ball. He 100% played the receiver. Bryce isn't exactly killing it, but his receivers aren't doing him any favors either. Their job is to make QBs right, not the other way around. Any Joe SHOULD be able to go out there and catch perfect passes in perfect calls where they're wide open. That doesn't make you an NFL wide receiver. 

Honestly?

Because Tepper refuses to admit he was wrong when he insisted the team draft Bryce Young.

Miss me with the 'he was the consensus pick in the building' malarkey. Go and find footage of Reich watching Stroud through at his pro day and then compare it to Reich (and McCown) at Young's pro day. He was enamoured with Stroud. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

5 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Honestly?

Because Tepper refuses to admit he was wrong when he insisted the team draft Bryce Young.

Miss me with the 'he was the consensus pick in the building' malarkey. Go and find footage of Reich watching Stroud through at his pro day and then compare it to Reich (and McCown) at Young's pro day. He was enamoured with Stroud. 

You can also see it in how he didnt even try to build an offense for Bryce. Stroud was his QB and he was overruled. He lost interest immediately. He went through the motions until he was fired. 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

every season to date a very bad and completely washed Andy Dalton makes a token appearance to give us our passing high on the season.

to say other QBs couldn’t do anything is just nuts.  Big plays were all over the field Sunday and BY literally couldn’t make a single one of them happen 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401547432/panthers-seahawks

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401671658/panthers-raiders

680 passing yards between two games and one of those was with a head coach many here have called the worst in our history.

When washed Andy Dalton is the high point for your passing offense in 2 years with the same players when you have a first overall pick at QB on the roster nothing more really needs to be said.

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

No one. Why do you think that is? Because they love Bryce Young's media presence, or because they realize the TEAM is an absolute shiite show that very few QBs could have success in? Knowing what you know about Tepper, which do you think is the reason? Don't try to overthink it. It's the obvious answer. These receivers aren't good - yet. Did you watch last night's game? How do you think our receivers stack up to GB and WAS receivers?

Hot take... Renfrow should have caught the pass he took a shot on. Sanders caught the exact same pass running the exact same route with the exact same hit later in the game. There was another pass down the sideline that Renfrow should have caught and got his feet inbounds. The pass that was thrown short was a bad throw by Bryce. He flat out missed that throw. No argument there - and a great play call/design by Canales. But a better receiver either catches the ball or draws a PI with the defender's back towards the ball. The defender never saw the ball. He 100% played the receiver. Bryce isn't exactly killing it, but his receivers aren't doing him any favors either. Their job is to make QBs right, not the other way around. Any Joe SHOULD be able to go out there and catch perfect passes in perfect calls where they're wide open. That doesn't make you an NFL wide receiver. 

You don't throw high over the middle, unless your Bryce then it's okay and it's the recievers fault. Plus Sanders is 6'4" 250 and Renfrow is 5'10" 180

[strato]

I expect Young to play better and the team to play better. 
Week one is something I refuse to give much weight to, going back to when we had 4 preseason games. 
 

All kinds of unpredictable outcomes happen week one. Seen it too many times to discount that. Since the 17 game schedule, I don’t pay much mind to results and how the units look until week 3. The units just need time to get the teamwork and timing together under real conditions. Not a series at 90% in preseason. That won’t do it. And it is hard to get around it. 

But Frank is right when he points to the difference in how the offense looks with an NFL level arm behind center. Seattle in 2023, Vegas in 2024, were just liberating for the passing game. 
 

This Bryce ball is no fun to watch unless he is having a day where  everything is clicking. Which I think we saw one time. Out of 29. Meh. 

[Shotgun]

 

50 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

  Renfrow is 5'10" 180

Can he play QB?