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panthers offense 30 of 32 in yards per play


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13 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Philly is always going to be low. They do half a dozen tush pushes a game or more. 

My point exactly. Does that mean they have a poor offense? Of course not. That is why cherry picking stats without context rarely results in an accurate and fair assessment.

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16 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Philly is always going to be low. They do half a dozen tush pushes a game or more. 

I think they were in the top half or so of the year last year, but the point you are alluding to is pretty good - if you're good in short yardage these per play metrics have less importance

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1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

My point exactly. Does that mean they have a poor offense? Of course not. That is why cherry picking stats without context rarely results in an accurate and fair assessment.

In what metric is the Panthers offense good?  Honest question as I haven't looked at the stats relative to other teams this year.

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17 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

In what metric is the Panthers offense good?  Honest question as I haven't looked at the stats relative to other teams this year.

I don't think we have been good yet. We were generally effective yesterday when we got scoring opportunities but struggled to move the ball under a heavy blitz and new receivers who he is still trying to develop better chemistry with and a makeshift line. And last week the comeback was impressive until it fizzled out. But week one we were bad and we have way too many penalties and picks and the occasional WTF play. We were better yesterday and the offense had no turnovers although special teams did. We are a work in progress as any panther fan would expect. I think we have the most rookies on our roster compared to any other team.

No one thinks we are all that amazing or thar Bryce is the answer for sure. But we aren't the worse either and this constant negative narrative really is ridiculous and drowns out everyone else. I doubt I will be here much especially if we lose. The conversation is so negative and constant I don't even check in until Wednesday. But I will be here like always since 2004. Just not engaging in conversations with folks who just want to bitch and complain over and over with anything they can find as if that makes things better or they are saying something we all don't feel at times. Most of us realize this is year 2 of a rebuild and there are ups and downs. You have to be comfortable on the roller coaster. But anytime you point out the good you get inundated with negative crap as if we didn't see it too......

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3 hours ago, frankw said:

Also ironic that just yesterday there were a few people who said that expecting more completed passes beyond a measly 5 yards is basically akin to throwing into double coverage downfield and throwing bombs.

You. You said that. You literally make something up in another thread, then quote your made up post as fact from others. Objectively, it’s hilarious. 

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39 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

In what metric is the Panthers offense good?  Honest question as I haven't looked at the stats relative to other teams this year.

It is not. We are sloppy and don’t execute well. Our supposed strength of the run game isn’t there. Our #1 pick QB isn’t playing up to it currently. Our #2 receiver got phantom injury benches because he sucks so bad. However there is some potential there and I’m open to letting things gel and seeing where we go this year. 

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

This stat has very little to do with winning games. Philadelphia is 28th at 4.4 and Tampa is 22 at 5.1 but both are undefeated. Meanwhile Dallas is 7th but is at 1-2.

Points  made per game versus points surrendered is the only stat that matters  and we are 19th at around 20 points per game. Not great but a good recovery after week 1. Why aren't we using that stat? I guess because it doesn't look so bad and we need to keep pushing the bad Bryce narrative.

Every situation is different.  Context matters.  Carolina SHOULD have one of the better pass attacks in the NFL.  That is what should be expected of them. We SHOULD have a bad defense.  Only one of those actually played out.  So for us to win games, the entire design and choice Carolina made.... was to have the pass attack make up for what we lacked elsewhere at this point in time.   When you go all in on offense at the expense of the defense...you judge it accordingly.   This is a stat we should be expected not to stink at. 

  

 

  

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16 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I think overall we are 24th in total offense and 20th in total defense. 
 

I think it was 27th and 32nd last year.

it's early, that garbage time of that Cards doing a lot of work presently in that average to get us up to 24

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