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Bryce Young will have a Brees career arc. I doubt it will be with the Panthers.


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21 minutes ago, cranky said:

When would it need to be picked up? The end of this year? I was think it would be at the end of next year???

May 2026 i believe is the deadline which would tie him here for 2 more years which in turn locks in Dalton as well. Now ask yourself is that something you really want to do? 

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19 minutes ago, TN05 said:

It would have to be picked up this offseason.

Well that is a tough. Needless to say I am a supporter but I am not unrealistic about his output so far. I would say that if he finishes the season on an upward trend, I would be open to looking into it. 

The thing is, I do not really understand how rookie contracts work. If you sign him to an extension, is it a large $$$ investment for two years or is it negotiable. 

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5 minutes ago, cranky said:

Well that is a tough. Needless to say I am a supporter but I am not unrealistic about his output so far. I would say that if he finishes the season on an upward trend, I would be open to looking into it. 

The thing is, I do not really understand how rookie contracts work. If you sign him to an extension, is it a large $$$ investment for two years or is it negotiable. 

there are 3 options

1. Extend after year 3 and that keeps him here in theory for 5 years at big boy money

2. Pick up his 5th, keeping him here for 2 more at reasonable escalating salary (27 million for the 5th I believe or close to it)

3. Cut/trade him

 

the rookie contract set up is great if the guy is good,  its however a detriment if he is someone like bryce.  You dont want to commit yourself for 2 more years at that cost if he cannot play but like I said all week after listening to the folks that cover the team it feels like the panthers have floated the idea out there.

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23 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

there are 3 options

1. Extend after year 3 and that keeps him here in theory for 5 years at big boy money

2. Pick up his 5th, keeping him here for 2 more at reasonable escalating salary (27 million for the 5th I believe or close to it)

3. Cut/trade him

 

the rookie contract set up is great if the guy is good,  its however a detriment if he is someone like bryce.  You dont want to commit yourself for 2 more years at that cost if he cannot play but like I said all week after listening to the folks that cover the team it feels like the panthers have floated the idea out there.

Again, I'm not as familiar with this as most you seem to be but, at this point, I would be open to taking a wait and see approach. I am sure that is not gonna go over well around here but if he trends up from here on out and ends on a high note, it would be worth looking into. Ideally, at this point, I would much rather not pick it up but then negotiate a new contract - something below the 25M. 

The way I see it, he's signed for the 4th year already and that money is gauranteed so it doesn't do any good to cut him. I also hate thinking about all the wasted capital that was invested in him (draft picks). 

From what I understand, 25M would be stilght below an average QB contract? And it would only be for the one year?

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22 minutes ago, cranky said:

Again, I'm not as familiar with this as most you seem to be but, at this point, I would be open to taking a wait and see approach.

This is why you don’t do this. 

Not extending him or the “wait and see” approach sends all the wrong messages to basically everyone, especially in Bryce’s case because of the resources used to acquire him. 

You’re telling the fanbase that “ehhh who knows let’s just see how it plays out” which makes no one happy. You basically HAVE to bring in competition, because if you don’t then why didn’t you extend him or pick up the option?

You’re telling Bryce you’re not really sure he’s the answer and making him compete as above, something he’s not really had to do. You’re also exposing him to another year on a rookie contract where he could sustain a career ending injury which will not endear him with the front office. Plus Bryce had already shown he’ll stir poo when he’s benched; god knows the whispers Russini will hear if they actually make him earn a spot in training camp. 

the players know better than the fans what Bryce is capable of. You’re sending them a message of indecisiveness. 

and then not that you have to worry about this with Bryce but if he goes off in year four, he’s got you by the short hairs in negotiations. Like you wouldn’t have let Joe burrow hit free agency after his fourth year to give an extreme example.

you can’t just let him hang around like this. And the fifth year is just a negotiating tactic for the owners anyway. 

at the end of this season, Bryce is either extended or cut/traded, and no one in their right mind thinks he’s done enough for the former, or will by years end. 

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23 minutes ago, cranky said:

 


The way I see it, he's signed for the 4th year already and that money is gauranteed so it doesn't do any good to cut him. I also hate thinking about all the wasted capital that was invested in him (draft picks). 

 

This is called sunk cost fallacy and you’re doing it twice in two sentences. 

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2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

This is called sunk cost fallacy and you’re doing it twice in two sentences. 

sunk cost fallacy is only true IF it is CLEAR that changing course is more beneficial. If Bryce gets back to playing like he did after getting benched last year, and sooner rather than later, than I am not so sure it is.

Not a popular notation around here I know. 

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