Canales and Mike White

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

Threw for 405 yards at 9 Y/A, 3 td's and the two picks were on the receivers. 

His career Intended Air Yards/Attempt is 6.8.

Literally almost a full yard lower than Bryce. He is a dink and dunk QB.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, X-Clown said:

My friends that are jets fans remember him fondly in the sense that he had a Linsanity type of run for a very short period of time, and they all preferred him to Zach Wilson. But he was extremely injury prone and once defenses got tape on him it ended badly.

 

Yeah we had that here too. Baby GOAT, Kyle Allen.

How did that turn out?

Same as it did in NY for Mike White.

[Jackie Lee]

15 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

His career Intended Air Yards/Attempt is 6.8.

Literally almost a full yard lower than Bryce. He is a dink and dunk QB.

PFR has Bryce at 5.8 Y/A for his career and Mike White at 6.9

[ProcessBlue2]

7 hours ago, BeenPounding said:

The Bryce hate is nearly laughable.  He looked like garbage the first two games, but has really, really shown improvement and growth.  People who know football are taking notice.  Will Bryce ever be Arron Rodgers, Farvre, Manning or any other hotshot gunslinger?  No, but I think he is a smart football player who has survived a lot more than most other QB's would have after 2.5 years.  So long as this injury doesn't linger I think you will see legitimate growth over the next two years, with a big leap coming next season.

Reich and Brown not working together, Duce causing trouble behind the scenes.  Starting WR's of Mingo and Chark.  No legitimate scheme for the OL.  Fitterer's general incompetence. An owner who was desperate for attention.  How did Zac Wilson, Mariota, Winston, Tribuski, Rosen, Lawarence, Fields, Jones, Pickett, and Richardson fair after 2.5 years?  We see what happens when the Texans have not given Stroud the support.

The 2018 draft had great talent, they just needed to mature, hell we wasted two of the top three drafted that year.  Outside of Allen, Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, or Drake Maye, I'm not sure I really would want any other 1st round QB drafted in the past 10 years?

RELAX......  Bryce is our guy as we grow as a team.  The only other option I currently see is maybe a buy low draft pick on Drew Allar if he falls to the third round or lower.

Bryce is going to be extended.  He won't get Prescott money which would benefit our team going forward.  A mid range extension like Darnold or Baker got may be just the thing this team needs to keep growing.

I will take it all back the day I see a pass of 40+ air yards. We couldn’t even throw a Hail Mary from midfield at halftime a few weeks ago. Matter of fact we have never attempted it with him. 

[mrcompletely11]

8 hours ago, BeenPounding said:

The Bryce hate is nearly laughable.  He looked like garbage the first two games, but has really, really shown improvement and growth.  People who know football are taking notice.  Will Bryce ever be Arron Rodgers, Farvre, Manning or any other hotshot gunslinger?  No, but I think he is a smart football player who has survived a lot more than most other QB's would have after 2.5 years.  So long as this injury doesn't linger I think you will see legitimate growth over the next two years, with a big leap coming next season.

Reich and Brown not working together, Duce causing trouble behind the scenes.  Starting WR's of Mingo and Chark.  No legitimate scheme for the OL.  Fitterer's general incompetence. An owner who was desperate for attention.  How did Zac Wilson, Mariota, Winston, Tribuski, Rosen, Lawarence, Fields, Jones, Pickett, and Richardson fair after 2.5 years?  We see what happens when the Texans have not given Stroud the support.

The 2018 draft had great talent, they just needed to mature, hell we wasted two of the top three drafted that year.  Outside of Allen, Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, or Drake Maye, I'm not sure I really would want any other 1st round QB drafted in the past 10 years?

RELAX......  Bryce is our guy as we grow as a team.  The only other option I currently see is maybe a buy low draft pick on Drew Allar if he falls to the third round or lower.

Bryce is going to be extended.  He won't get Prescott money which would benefit our team going forward.  A mid range extension like Darnold or Baker got may be just the thing this team needs to keep growing.

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[Gapanthersfan]

Literally, nobody on this board hates BY the person. The majority of fans can now see that he is not cut out to be a high level starting QB in the NFL. It is what it is. If it was going to be different it would have already happened. He is almost half way through his third season. He has 2 1,000 yard backs, 2 first round receivers and one of the most expensive o lines in the league… and for what? What has he shown for it. Where has his game taken the next big step?

Any of the top 15 passers in the league would have this offense cooking. Look at the resources that have been allocated. It’s a minor miracle that the defense has shown improvement with the inequity they have been given. Dan is working personnel miracles. 

It can’t keep going on this way. Contenders are built off of the premise that a high end QB can elevate JAG talent to be legit playmakers, thus freeing up draft capital to continually invest in the lines and stack the defense. Ravens. Steelers. Patriots. Seahawks. Chiefs. We’re now starting to see it in Denver and the Chargers. Baltimore is in a down year, but look at their track record and how they’ve done it. Strong defenses stacked with early round talent builds consistent winning.

It’s why you don’t give big contracts to RBs to cover up for a QB that can’t get it done. Think about it. CMC. Chuba. Big money. Why is that? It’s because they largely have been THE offensive production. A franchise QB is supposed to make an RB look good, not the other way around. This offense is built completely backwards.  

BY will NEVER be THAT DUDE. Period. His limitations are mostly physical. He’s now 2 1/2 years in his NFL career and he still looks every bit as frail as he did on draft day. He could have EASILY added 15 more pounds of solid muscle by now… but hasn’t. Why not? It sure would help with the weak ass jersey grab sack fumbles he still struggles with. It’d definitely help with arm strength. Where’s the DAWG? Where has HE upped HIS game? 

He is a backup QB that a contender will need when their starting guy goes down. It would be prudent by our front office over the next several weeks to see this scenario unfold and dump him. There is 0 upside to continue to ride with him going forward. 

 

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

PFR has Bryce at 5.8 Y/A for his career and Mike White at 6.9

That includes YAC. IAY is a metric that shows air travel of all attempted passes, so it is a far more accurate representation of pass depth. 

[kungfoodude]

22 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

Literally, nobody on this board hates BY the person. The majority of fans can now see that he is not cut out to be a high level starting QB in the NFL. It is what it is. If it was going to be different it would have already happened. He is almost half way through his third season. He has 2 1,000 yard backs, 2 first round receivers and one of the most expensive o lines in the league… and for what? What has he shown for it. Where has his game taken the next big step?

Any of the top 15 passers in the league would have this offense cooking. Look at the resources that have been allocated. It’s a minor miracle that the defense has shown improvement with the inequity they have been given. Dan is working personnel miracles. 

It can’t keep going on this way. Contenders are built off of the premise that a high end QB can elevate JAG talent to be legit playmakers, thus freeing up draft capital to continually invest in the lines and stack the defense. Ravens. Steelers. Patriots. Seahawks. Chiefs. We’re now starting to see it in Denver and the Chargers. Baltimore is in a down year, but look at their track record and how they’ve done it. Strong defenses stacked with early round talent builds consistent winning.

It’s why you don’t give big contracts to RBs to cover up for a QB that can’t get it done. Think about it. CMC. Chuba. Big money. Why is that? It’s because they largely have been THE offensive production. A franchise QB is supposed to make an RB look good, not the other way around. This offense is built completely backwards.  

BY will NEVER be THAT DUDE. Period. His limitations are mostly physical. He’s now 2 1/2 years in his NFL career and he still looks every bit as frail as he did on draft day. He could have EASILY added 15 more pounds of solid muscle by now… but hasn’t. Why not? It sure would help with the weak ass jersey grab sack fumbles he still struggles with. It’d definitely help with arm strength. Where’s the DAWG? Where has HE upped HIS game? 

He is a backup QB that a contender will need when their starting guy goes down. It would be prudent by our front office over the next several weeks to see this scenario unfold and dump him. There is 0 upside to continue to ride with him going forward. 

 

I am gonna say that I don't know that all of the top 15 QB's would this offense cooking. Not only due to fit but I also have yet to be super impressed with DC the playcaller.

For all the talk of DC being hamstrung by Bryce, I am not convinced he is a terribly adept OC. 

Not saying the bulk of our offensive struggles are not primarily Bryce but I wouldn't be so sure an upgrade at QB would instantly turn us into an elite offense. I still question DC.

Also, I will point out that most top 15 QB's would not be super pleased to be looking at the prospect of our WR Corps and TE group. 

[CRA]

22 hours ago, Jmac said:

Rewatched Whites stint with the Jets and he played well. Big guy with a big arm. Looks like the kind of QB that Canales could work with and fit his schemes.

I don't buy into the high pick QB bullcrap any more after what I have seen on the field. Canales helped develop Mayfield into the QB he is today, older QB at that.  Many high picks just end up sucking. Is it possible that White could excel here and be the guy? Watch some film and you tell me.

I don't think Canales developed Baker, or Geno or Russell.   

It's sort of a weird cherry pick, of what role we give credit for "fixing" QBs.  It's an OC here, QB coach here. 

Baker, Geno, and Wilson all had success in schemes that suited them.  Fit matters in the NFL more than almost anything.  So does have the talent to run the desired scheme.  All 3 of those guys are basically the same QB in terms of the pass game and have success in offenses that attack downfield (with the proper WRs). 

[CRA]

10 hours ago, BeenPounding said:

The Bryce hate is nearly laughable.  He looked like garbage the first two games, but has really, really shown improvement and growth.   

7 games this season.  Bryce Young looked pretty good in the 2 games so far when there was historic rushing on the back of Rico Dowdle.  That's his summary thus far this season.  And it's year 3. 

Bryce Young hasn't really shown any growth nor much improvement.  He pretty much is the same dude and threat every Sunday.   It's also why every season starts off the exact same. 

[KatsAzz]

In the 2018 NFL Draft, Mike White was viewed as a quarterback prospect with NFL size, arm strength, and the ability to throw deep. However, evaluators noted significant weaknesses, including a lack of mobility, struggles under pressure, and a tendency to lock onto targets, which contributed to a high number of turnovers. Scouts saw his potential as a "project" quarterback with backup potential but also noted his boom-or-bust potential due to his inconsistent pocket awareness and fumbling issues. 

[frankw]

11 hours ago, amcoolio said:

I honestly think you'd genuinely want the Panthers to throw 400 yards and lose than throw for 200 yards and win. Like, everything you have posted gives me that vibe.

I want to see our passing offense operate at a level that isn't marginally better than when Jimmy Clausen was QB.

There's a whole world of middle ground between that and throwing for 400 yards every game.

If you can't handle that the problem is you.

[frankw]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

That includes YAC. IAY is a metric that shows air travel of all attempted passes, so it is a far more accurate representation of pass depth. 

I've rarely heard anyone ever use this metric but for some reason you're using it to push an agenda for a practice squad QB who has 800+ less attempts than the guy you're drawing a comparison to.

You've gone off the deep end.

[Jmac]

1 hour ago, Gapanthersfan said:

Literally, nobody on this board hates BY the person. The majority of fans can now see that he is not cut out to be a high level starting QB in the NFL. It is what it is. If it was going to be different it would have already happened. He is almost half way through his third season. He has 2 1,000 yard backs, 2 first round receivers and one of the most expensive o lines in the league… and for what? What has he shown for it. Where has his game taken the next big step?

Any of the top 15 passers in the league would have this offense cooking. Look at the resources that have been allocated. It’s a minor miracle that the defense has shown improvement with the inequity they have been given. Dan is working personnel miracles. 

It can’t keep going on this way. Contenders are built off of the premise that a high end QB can elevate JAG talent to be legit playmakers, thus freeing up draft capital to continually invest in the lines and stack the defense. Ravens. Steelers. Patriots. Seahawks. Chiefs. We’re now starting to see it in Denver and the Chargers. Baltimore is in a down year, but look at their track record and how they’ve done it. Strong defenses stacked with early round talent builds consistent winning.

It’s why you don’t give big contracts to RBs to cover up for a QB that can’t get it done. Think about it. CMC. Chuba. Big money. Why is that? It’s because they largely have been THE offensive production. A franchise QB is supposed to make an RB look good, not the other way around. This offense is built completely backwards.  

BY will NEVER be THAT DUDE. Period. His limitations are mostly physical. He’s now 2 1/2 years in his NFL career and he still looks every bit as frail as he did on draft day. He could have EASILY added 15 more pounds of solid muscle by now… but hasn’t. Why not? It sure would help with the weak ass jersey grab sack fumbles he still struggles with. It’d definitely help with arm strength. Where’s the DAWG? Where has HE upped HIS game? 

He is a backup QB that a contender will need when their starting guy goes down. It would be prudent by our front office over the next several weeks to see this scenario unfold and dump him. There is 0 upside to continue to ride with him going forward. 

 

Just look at the JAG's Cam had to work with and he excelled. No more excuses.