So, Is Bryce Playing this Week or Nah?

[ForJimmy]

13 minutes ago, strato said:

If your analysis is fact we won’t learn anything this week either I guess. 
I remember a lot of people saying Dalton was washed as he went through those games. I suppose it was really a combination of many things film included. 
 

edit: I mean, the Raiders had a bad defense too. Washington and Chicago were both better there I think, without refreshing the memory with their rankings. 

Bears and Commanders definitely had a better defense but I think you sometimes get that first "surprise" game for lack of a better work.  That might be why our staff is being so weird about everything.  They want Buffalo to have to prepare for both even though I'm not sure their gameplan changes much regardless. 

[strato]

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Bears and Commanders definitely had a better defense but I think you sometimes get that first "surprise" game for lack of a better work.  That might be why our staff is being so weird about everything.  They want Buffalo to have to prepare for both even though I'm not sure their gameplan changes much regardless. 

I am not trying to say you are wrong and missed my edit window to add that in the last post. 
To my admittedly simple football mind, the biggest surprise type of difference to Las Vegas was Andy could throw the ball over their heads and Bryce couldn’t or wouldn’t try it. And that wasn’t hard to imagine. 
 

And yeah, the gamesmanship over the two QBs is just them taking that to the limit I think. 

Edited 3 hours ago by strato

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

No, but a washed Dalton's primary weapon was the basket case named Dionte Johnson who I think was traded like a week after those games.  2 rookies and THE David Moore. 

QBs are going to have a bit of rollercoaster ride when that's what you are working with (especially meh QBs).  Some bad weeks are going to be part of it.   And Dalton gave folks a mixed bag. 

Bryce (who we are saying isn't a good QB) had those weapons on his late season run last year.  Can't try to give the old man a pass and not Bryce (who made Moore look solid vs. the Chiefs in his return). 

Another one is Baker flying out to LAR after we released him and playing great followed by some subpar games.  That first game can catch defenses off guard.  It wasn't really a mixed bag for Dalton though.  Just one good game followed by bad QB play.

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Bryce (who we are saying isn't a good QB) had those weapons on his late season run last year.  Can't try to give the old man a pass and not Bryce (who made Moore look solid vs. the Chiefs in his return). 

Another one is Baker flying out to LAR after we released him and playing great followed by some subpar games.  That first game can catch defenses off guard.  It wasn't really a mixed bag for Dalton though.  Just one good game followed by bad QB play.

Bryce didn't have those same weapons on his late season run that Andy had in his 2 cherry picked horrible games.  Dionte was traded.  Mingo was traded.  Sanders gone for the majority.  Adam Thielen returned.   

Andy was over 220+ in 3 (majority) of his games.   And again, Andy Dalton is old and washed.  He is not good.  No one ever says he is good. The Panthers were a more threatening team overall in Dalton's starts both seasons in the pass game vs when Bryce is on the field. 

In Dalton's handful of games, attacked downfield at a rate Bryce Young just flat out doesn't do....and saw more production 20+ downfield in that tiny window last year than Bryce did on the season and getting most of the work. 

And I'm pretty sure in his handful of starts in Carolina, Dalton has more actual production 20+ yards than Bryce in his entire career, despite Bryce dominating starts the past 2+ years.  Like not close.  

 

[strato]

25 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Bryce (who we are saying isn't a good QB) had those weapons on his late season run last year.  Can't try to give the old man a pass and not Bryce (who made Moore look solid vs. the Chiefs in his return). 

Another one is Baker flying out to LAR after we released him and playing great followed by some subpar games.  That first game can catch defenses off guard.  It wasn't really a mixed bag for Dalton though.  Just one good game followed by bad QB play.

Theilen came back and Bryce had him. Which he was lost for Andy after the first game, or am I wrong on that? 
 

And people are so overrating most of those Bryce games. There were a couple of good ones and a very good one. Of his basically two complete very good games. That Atlanta game in that stretch and the Dallas game this year being the complete ones. Maybe I missed one but the 2023 Green Bay game was really a very good 4th quarter and a average 1st half. Maybe I missed another but that NYG Europe game was nothing to brag about yet people did.
Just sayin. 
I mean you can name his really nice games on one hand. Out of how many now? 33? 34? Something like that. 

[ForJimmy]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce didn't have those same weapons on his late season run that Andy had in his 2 cherry picked horrible games.  Dionte was traded.  Mingo was traded.  Sanders gone for the majority.  Adam Thielen returned.   

Andy was over 220+ in 3 (majority) of his games.   And again, Andy Dalton is old and washed.  He is not good.  No one ever says he is good. The Panthers were a more threatening team overall in Dalton's starts both seasons in the pass game vs when Bryce is on the field. 

In Dalton's handful of games, attacked downfield at a rate Bryce Young just flat out doesn't do....and saw more production 20+ downfield in that tiny window last year than Bryce did on the season and getting most of the work. 

And I'm pretty sure in his handful of starts in Carolina, Dalton has more actual production 20+ yards than Bryce in his entire career, despite Bryce dominating starts the past 2+ years.  Like not close.  

 

So AT was the only addition.  How is AT looking in Minnesota?  Again Moore was the leading WR with targets, yards, and a score the first week Dalton was injured. It's kind of crazy you are trying so hard to defend Dalton but sure I'll play along.

Bengals game (the magical 220 yards) 25/40 with 5.5 yards per attempt (something you would absolutely hate on Young for) 2 TD and 1 INT.  Box Score looks ok but watch the game and see the Bengals are up 31-14 with 2 minutes left in the 3rd (this is what you typically refer to as "garbage time stats") when the defense switches to prevent to allow these 5.5 yard average throws down the field including a nice 10 yard and 21 yard pass (the 2nd for a TD) to the one and only Johnson.

Next up is the Bears 18/28 for 136 yards and an INT with a 4.9 average.  Not sure you want to talk about that one.  Oh and Chuba had only 13 carries for 97 yards and a TD averaging 7.5 yards per attempt. 

Atl is the other one you claim is good with 221 yards 2 TDs and 2 Ints with a 5.8 average (again something you hate on Bryce for).  He looked ok but threw not 1 but 2 4th quarter INTs to go with his 5.8 average and lose this very winnable game.

That leaves the Commanders with a 11/16 93 yard and another 2 INT game with another 5.8 average.  I think it's safe to say this one is a bad one....

So again that LV game is the outlier and his first game playing in that offense.  Look I'd much rather Bryce be good and the answer for obvious reasons, but I can 100% admit when he is playing bad.  Glancing at a box score and see 220 doesn't tell the story and I'm pretty sure you know that.  These were all bad games outside of the LV for Dalton.

[ForJimmy]

21 minutes ago, strato said:

Theilen came back and Bryce had him. Which he was lost for Andy after the first game, or am I wrong on that? 
 

And people are so overrating most of those Bryce games. There were a couple of good ones and a very good one. Of his basically two complete very good games. That Atlanta game in that stretch and the Dallas game this year being the complete ones. Maybe I missed one but the 2023 Green Bay game was really a very good 4th quarter and a average 1st half. Maybe I missed another but that NYG Europe game was nothing to brag about yet people did.
Just sayin. 
I mean you can name his really nice games on one hand. Out of how many now? 33? 34? Something like that. 

AT did come back and looking at AT now at Minnesota he has 5 catches for 47 yards and 0 TDs on the season.  Not sure he is some game changer on offense but yeah Bryce had good chemistry with him due to lack of options.  

They get overhyped not doubt.  Just looking at last year, I liked him in the Chiefs game, Tampa right after (over 300 total yards 2 TDs and 0 turnovers, Chuba's fumble cost us the game if I remember correctly), he was fine in Arizona but wasn't asked to do anything as the running game carried us, and the Falcons game obviously.  Dallas last year was horrible he had like 2 fumbles and 2 INTs and it was during his post benching little run.  This year I liked what I saw in the Arizona rally (first quarter sucked), Dolphins rally for the win (learning to finish), and the Cowboys (some clutch throws and a solid winning drive).  He still has a lot of work to do to get an extension IMO, I'm just saying people are looking at some of those Dalton games through rose colored glasses....

[strato]

 

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

AT did come back and looking at AT now at Minnesota he has 5 catches for 47 yards and 0 TDs on the season.  Not sure he is some game changer on offense but yeah Bryce had good chemistry with him due to lack of options.  

They get overhyped not doubt.  Just looking at last year, I liked him in the Chiefs game, Tampa right after (over 300 total yards 2 TDs and 0 turnovers, Chuba's fumble cost us the game if I remember correctly), he was fine in Arizona but wasn't asked to do anything as the running game carried us, and the Falcons game obviously.  Dallas last year was horrible he had like 2 fumbles and 2 INTs and it was during his post benching little run.  This year I liked what I saw in the Arizona rally (first quarter sucked), Dolphins rally for the win (learning to finish), and the Cowboys (some clutch throws and a solid winning drive).  He still has a lot of work to do to get an extension IMO, I'm just saying people are looking at some of those Dalton games through rose colored glasses....

Maybe but I like to call them it looked like an NFL offense colored glasses. It was just different.

Speaking of colored glasses, I think we have become so used to looking at Bryce play that we are numb to how un NFL it is  

I am honest here, the first game he played in 2023 had me in shock.

I didn’t want him, at all. But I remember I had held off all summer with the arguing because it was all ‘he was great in college’ and I did t put any stock in it but there was no NFL game play to use for reference so it is all he said she said arguing as to whether it would translate to the NFL, which I didn’t think it would. 
 

His first game, I remember a couple of very strong reactions and they were no urgency, like at all, with his dropback and generally the way he operated, and the where is the deep ball? 
When I go back and look now it just looks normal. But for the first time and the second game too, that’s what saw and it was very striking. 
When Andy played against Seattle, things looked normal to me again. They looked normal against Vegas. Which to me, was like fresh air. 
As I said, now the offense looks normal. I think we are Brycewashed lol. 
 

Edited 41 minutes ago by strato