Bryce might be the most frustrating player we've ever had.

[strato]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, that's not true.  They were just lofted balls vs man coverage.  You are portraying unique to Bryce as unique for a good QB.  

now, not many QBs are being put into those playcalls.  Correct.  Dave likes to ask Bryce to throw downfield on short yardage plays where a defense gets in man to play the run/short yardage.  We have seen it often this year.   I mean, I can go find literally the exact same Coker play on short yardage from earlier in the year.   It's basically Dave gambling on the fact Bryce stinks and doesn't go downfield......in the most advantageous scenario that could present itself. 

He’s gonna get burned going to that well too often. It only works because it goes against the tendencies. Once they give that strategy some due diligence you are looking at 59/50 balls at best. (In that situation). 

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[strato]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce Young had 2 throws over 10 yards the entire game.   That answered your question?? And the 2 total throws.....basically were playing into the fact Bryce doesn't go downfield, the D had to play short, and were really low % bad playcalls.  It's the fine of dumb and great.  People have called those plays idiotic all year. 

Answered my criticism, not question, that it should be included. Yes. That has to be a component of an NFL offense. 

Edit: And yeah do it earlier. No doubt.  It was pretty obvious why it worked, and is because it was a complete surprise.  

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[kungfoodude]

39 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

Thats a valid argument.  I cant tell whet they are gonna do and they prob dont really know yet either.  Ultimately they do need someone to play QB and I think the 5th gives them a little more time to figure out who that person is.  If the upcoming draft class was loaded with QBs i'd prob feel different.

Good news is they have a while before hey have to decide on the 5th.  I think May 1st is the deadline?

It is indeed May 1st. So they will get some free agency and also the draft if "better" options are found. 

I do think they will likely make that decision far earlier, however. Ultimately, if you don't pick up the 5th year option, it makes much more sense to try to move Bryce. It's better for him and us, IMO. Let him get a fresh start and another team get the option to decide on that 5th year before the deadline.

[Jon Snow]

15 minutes ago, strato said:

Answered my criticism, not question, that it should be included. Yes. That has to be a component of an NFL offense. 

Edit: And yeah do it earlier. No doubt.  It was pretty obvious why it worked, and is because it was a complete surprise.  

A few more of those and defenses won't be able to stack the box on 4th and short. It adds another wrinkle to the offense. 

[kungfoodude]

39 minutes ago, CRA said:

we got folks once again having willful amnesia.....

let's talk about something that isn't a wild outcome.  This board flying high as a kite......and Bryce going into New Orleans and having his routine bad game vs the Saints.....and we lose.  Bryce averages 147 yards vs the Saints in his career and lots turnovers.  Suddenly, the front page will have 78 cut Bryce Young immediately threads and a lot of those people will have called picking up his 5th year a no brainer at this point. 

Yeah, he is such a hot and cold QB. Even the highs are typically fairly low(speaking specifically 2024 end of season run). It's easy to point to his 400+ yard outing and being the franchise record holder for single game passing but when you look at the 26 of 40 career starts of less than 200 yards passing, it's hard to have a very rosy view of the body of work.

If we were staring down a significantly better 2025 season in terms of actual performances, it would be a different story. That would show some progression is happening, albeit maybe at a glacial pace. But, that isn't what has happened. He's been modestly better than his first two seasons in most categories. Does this show improvement? Arguably so but the pace is going to lead us into a very, very difficult position even if it continues at a linear scale. You will end up in the 2026 or 2027 offseason having to make a long term decision on a MAYBE bottom 10-12 QB. And that is assuming continual progression and no regression or plateau. 

I just don't think there is enough to invest in this situation long term. The bones of Bryce the QB aren't solid enough to build a franchise caliber QB, IMO. 

[strato]

21 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

A few more of those and defenses won't be able to stack the box on 4th and short. It adds another wrinkle to the offense. 

I don’t know that it will even take a few more. That was about as HELLO they actually Will throw it deep as it gets in terms of impact and being noticed.  But it should pay off somewhere else.  
Something will be given less attention, the coaches will need to find it quickly. 
The protection was excellent on those, pressure might be something people need to counter with. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, strato said:

I don’t know that it will even take a few more. That was about as HELLO they actually Will throw it deep as it gets in terms of impact and being noticed.  But it should pay off somewhere else.  
Something will be given less attention, the coaches will need to find it quickly. 
The protection was excellent on those, pressure might be something people need to counter with. 

When they ran the ball they had better success when the Tams thought they would pass. Obviously there wasn't 8 in the box in the situation so Canales took advantage of it. He played the 2nd half as about as perfect as he could. The 1st half was brutal for him especially the last 3 minutes of the half. He wasted an opportunity to score. But running when they expected a pass and passing when they expected a run is what made the difference in the 2nd half. 

[outlaw4]

People who think Bryce is the most frustrating player ever to wear a Panthers uniform were not around here when Jake Delhomme was our QB. If anything, I'm getting a bit of deja vu.

[bandu]

so how can you win on a  consistent basis with a wildly inconsistent Qb ?