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[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Who knows the options? I am just saying Evero likely has all the leverage here.

Reich gave Evero leeway to pick most of his defensive position coaches, but Wash didn't have any history with Evero.

His connection to the 23 Panthers was via Dom Capers who'd worked with him in a senior assistant role when Wash was the jags Defensive Coordinator.

By coincidence, Wash actually has a little more history with Dave Canales. He was Seattle's DL Coach for two of the years Canales was coaching receivers.

A couple of the guys Evero brought in have since been fired. I'm still surprised Evero wasn't after last season, but after hearing that his contract end this year, I feel it's a lot more likely that he and the Panthers part ways next year. 

It's just a matter of whose decision it is (quite possibly mutual).

[Khyber53]

On 12/4/2025 at 4:07 PM, kungfoodude said:

I think Hendrickson and Phillips would likely want top 5 pass rusher contracts to come here, if I am being honest.

I think we'll move to the draft for pass rush guys, maybe even use our first on it. Edge rushers, especially free agents, are just too expensive. Better to grow your own.

[kungfoodude]

18 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think we'll move to the draft for pass rush guys, maybe even use our first on it. Edge rushers, especially free agents, are just too expensive. Better to grow your own.

I am not against spending top dollar for top pass rushing talent but it needs to make sense at the time. I definitely don't think Hendrickson makes ANY sense for us given age and where we are as a franchise. Phillips does make some sense as a younger guy but, again, we are in the infancy of our roster building comparatively. Why blow a ton of money on free agents every offseason? We spent a lot the last two offseasons on veteran free agents to some success but a chunk of these guys may never see the completed result of our building. 

Overall I agree. Be selective about free agents, especially in premium positions. The one big credit I will give Morgan is that he seems to be building younger. That is very smart. 

[Khyber53]

41 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not against spending top dollar for top pass rushing talent but it needs to make sense at the time. I definitely don't think Hendrickson makes ANY sense for us given age and where we are as a franchise. Phillips does make some sense as a younger guy but, again, we are in the infancy of our roster building comparatively. Why blow a ton of money on free agents every offseason? We spent a lot the last two offseasons on veteran free agents to some success but a chunk of these guys may never see the completed result of our building. 

Overall I agree. Be selective about free agents, especially in premium positions. The one big credit I will give Morgan is that he seems to be building younger. That is very smart. 

Select free agents as mid-price players with high leadership and locker room skills with great practice commitments. Grab your stars and role players in the draft and have them molded by the vets who make up the kind of team you are trying to be.

With the right core of solid players, you can make a lot of progress farming up first and second round picks, getting five affordable years out of them and then moving on, either trading them away or grabbing compensatory picks when they leave. It's not flashy and doesn't make sense to the fantasy football crowd, but really, a team only needs one or two star quality players on it to make it big. Those two must be ones that are directly involved in every play, though, like a QB, DE, MLB or OT. 

That being said, if your team's star player is a WR, you've got a problem, because it's a crap ton of money on a guy who might figure heavily into one third of your offensive plays. 

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

5 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Select free agents as mid-price players with high leadership and locker room skills with great practice commitments. Grab your stars and role players in the draft and have them molded by the vets who make up the kind of team you are trying to be.

With the right core of solid players, you can make a lot of progress farming up first and second round picks, getting five affordable years out of them and then moving on, either trading them away or grabbing compensatory picks when they leave. It's not flashy and doesn't make sense to the fantasy football crowd, but really, a team only needs one or two star quality players on it to make it big. Those two must be ones that are directly involved in every play, though, like a QB, DE, MLB or OT. 

That being said, if your team's star player is a WR, you've got a problem, because it's a crap ton of money on a guy who might figure heavily into one third of your offensive plays. 

 

Ive never understood not going after a center after Kalil's neck injury. Center is the keystone in the offense as much as QB. Our line has really struggled without that leadership position. That's always been a core of offense to me, even moreso than tackles. We were spoiled with his level of play.

[ThPantherFan]

15 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If he leaves for a HC job, we get an extra 3rd comp pick in consecutive years. 

Do it!!!

[ThPantherFan]

15 hours ago, countryboi said:

They will almost certainly replace him with someone already on staff who is worse in everyway

Well, let's hope not.

[Khyber53]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Ive never understood not going after a center after Kalil's neck injury. Center is the keystone in the offense as much as QB. Our line has really struggled without that leadership position. That's always been a core of offense to me, even moreso than tackles. We were spoiled with his level of play.

I pounded on that drum for a long time and saw some really good centers move off to teams that ended up competing for championships. But what do I know?

Between Corbett and Mays we've probably got a good center. But really, we need to pick a lane there and stick with it. Consistency at the Center position is THE most valuable trait.

[SmokinwithWilly]

40 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I pounded on that drum for a long time and saw some really good centers move off to teams that ended up competing for championships. But what do I know?

Between Corbett and Mays we've probably got a good center. But really, we need to pick a lane there and stick with it. Consistency at the Center position is THE most valuable trait.

Mayes might be the most natural center we have on the roster. I don't count Corbett anymore because he's hurt too much. Paradis was coming off major leg injury, we had Bozeman and that was horrific. 

I was told repeatedly by many on this board anyone could play center and we should focus resources elsewhere. It's been the Achilles heel of our line for a long while now. Finding the QB of our line needs to be a priority this offseason. 

[Khyber53]

5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Mayes might be the most natural center we have on the roster. I don't count Corbett anymore because he's hurt too much. Paradis was coming off major leg injury, we had Bozeman and that was horrific. 

I was told repeatedly by many on this board anyone could play center and we should focus resources elsewhere. It's been the Achilles heel of our line for a long while now. Finding the QB of our line needs to be a priority this offseason. 

Like I said, yup. Corbett is a good player but it's that consistency thing... oft injured at that spot doesn't help. He'd make a heck of a back-up and swing guard, but not at the current salary. Mayes either has the chops now or he is developing into it. We need to get him to the regular starting spot before he gets to that free agent period and suddenly becomes to expensive to throw bucks at without knowing his true potential.

But yeah, Centers are way, way undervalued. And I understand it. Good teams keep their centers under contract for a decade, they rarely end up on the free agency market and get little fanfare when they do. It's just not sexy I guess. But like a MLB or a punter, if you don't have a good one,  you're fugged either now or soon.