David and Derek Carr on the Panthers video

[Mr. Scot]

Could definitely see them doing well as analysts (I know David already is)

[strato]

I will always hold David Carr and his gloves too, in high esteem. Houston as an expansion team stole the first pick that we rightfully earned, and they took Carr. Leaving us Julius Peppers. 
He is okay in my book. 
 

[Panthera onca]

Yes the original post explains a lot.

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, PantherBoy95 said:

The thing I remember about Carr the most is seeing him literally just take off running straight backwards. I've never seen anything like it. 

I was younger then, so that's when I believed if you could get a former #1 pick you could probably just rehab him. (i.e. the Sam Darnold resurgence that ironically made a pit stop in Carolina)

That's where I came up with "David Carr Battered QB Syndrome."

[chknwing]

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, strato said:

I will always hold David Carr and his gloves too, in high esteem. Houston as an expansion team stole the first pick that we rightfully earned, and they took Carr. Leaving us Julius Peppers. 
He is okay in my book. 

You should.

Marty Hurney has said in an interview that had Houston not been picking ahead of us, we would have drafted Carr over Peppers.

And to be fair to Carr, he not only received weekly beatings behind Houston's poorly equipped offensive line, but on top of that also some absolute dog sh-t coaching from Chris Palmer and company that probably aided in derailing his career.

Just one of several examples from that era where somebody else's screwup actually saved us from screwing up ourselves... 

[kungfoodude]

11 hours ago, Panthera onca said:

Yes the original post explains a lot.

I mean, even the lack of self awareness to post that is.....telling.

[ProcessBlue2]

Yes David Carr won us the game in New Orleans and looked completely horrible every start afterwards. I remember going to the Tampa game that year, we were wearing blue- it was horrible.

[ProcessBlue2]

There was a an NFL Network episode before the draft one year and they invited Mahomes on before the draft and I’m pretty sure David Carr who had been out of the league a while by then out threw Mahomes pre-draft. I don’t remember if it was accuracy or if it was like an arm strength test but I remember being like Damn, this kids arm is horrible..

[Bigdaddy8523]

Carr with those BS gloves every game was sickening to watch . Absolutely shell shocked before he even took the field for us.

[kungfoodude]

16 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

There was a an NFL Network episode before the draft one year and they invited Mahomes on before the draft and I’m pretty sure David Carr who had been out of the league a while by then out threw Mahomes pre-draft. I don’t remember if it was accuracy or if it was like an arm strength test but I remember being like Damn, this kids arm is horrible..

Oh, Carr was insanely talented. He just got his brains beat in until he lost his confidence and started "seeing ghosts."

When he came here he would bail from clean pockets constantly as his broken internal clock would start alarming after about 1.5-2 seconds.

[kungfoodude]

Also, for context, Carr was sacked an average of 3.3 sacks/GM during his time in Houston.

[SmokinwithWilly]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You should.

Marty Hurney has said in an interview that had Houston not been picking ahead of us, we would have drafted Carr over Peppers.

And to be fair to Carr, he not only received weekly beatings behind Houston's poorly equipped offensive line, but on top of that also some absolute dog sh-t coaching from Chris Palmer and company that probably aided in derailing his career.

Just one of several examples from that era where somebody else's screwup actually saved us from screwing up ourselves... 

Daniel Snyder saved us from Greg Little in the first by taking Haskins which left us Burns. Hurney had said he would have taken him at 16. Instead he traded up in the 2nd to get him only to have him shipped out 2 years later for a late round pick and a stale twinkie. 

I know everyone says Hurney was a 1st round genius with his record, but some of it was other teams being stupid and some must of been just sheer dumb luck. Hars to believe anyone could be that good (1sts) and that terrible (2nd-7th) at everything else. 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Daniel Snyder saved us from Greg Little in the first by taking Haskins which left us Burns. Hurney had said he would have taken him at 16. Instead he traded up in the 2nd to get him only to have him shipped out 2 years later for a late round pick and a stale twinkie. 

I know everyone says Hurney was a 1st round genius with his record, but some of it was other teams being stupid and some must of been just sheer dumb luck. Hars to believe anyone could be that good (1sts) and that terrible (2nd-7th) at everything else. 

A lot of Hurney's success can easily be attributed to picking in the spots of the draft that are genuinely harder to fug up.

Not that people don't.