The slide debate

[45catfan]

9 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

The speed of the moving parts when he dropped to the ground the defender was already lunging forward to make a tackle. 

Ransom didn't have to square him up like that. Dude had a reputation in college as a big hitter. He could have eased up or rolled off the tackle.  Ransom choose the big hit, probably trying to dislodge the ball.  I get the logic in a different scenario, but horrible situational awareness considering the circumstances.

Edited 2 hours ago by 45catfan

[45catfan]

[45catfan]

I'm on the other side of this.  TEACH the slide.  If a QB doesn't want the contact, teach them the proper way to slide.  It's not difficult to learn, but there is only one way to do it correctly.  Bryce's "slide" looked more like a drunk at 2AM about to hit he deck after that last call shot of tequila.  

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I'm on the other side of this.  TEACH the slide.  If a QB doesn't want the contact, teach them the proper way to slide.  It's not difficult to learn, but there is only one way to do it correctly.  Bryce's "slide" looked more like a drunk at 2AM about to hit he deck after that last call shot of tequila.  

There was a game earlier this season where he did his slow crumble and it made a lot of the local coverage talking points.   

[TN05]

It was a designed QB run, which in my opinion means the quarterback should be treated like a runner. But even if he was, you shouldn't be able to slide late and flop.

I am convinced the playcall here was to draw a foul. It makes no sense otherwise.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, TN05 said:

It was a designed QB run, which in my opinion means the quarterback should be treated like a runner. But even if he was, you shouldn't be able to slide late and flop.

I am convinced the playcall here was to draw a foul. It makes no sense otherwise.

I mean, he didn't flop.  He got lit up.....and then sold it on top of that just to make sure. 

[45catfan]

Just now, TN05 said:

It was a designed QB run, which in my opinion means the quarterback should be treated like a runner. But even if he was, you shouldn't be able to slide late and flop.

I am convinced the playcall here was to draw a foul. It makes no sense otherwise.

The play was to get extra yards to make the FG kicker's job easier and keep the ball in the middle of the field.  We left the middle of the field wide open to defend the sidelines.  It was a smart call.  Not sure if that was the original play or check when Shough saw all that open real estate right in front of him, but you have to give kudos to whomever made that decision.

Also, I doubt they have a play called "QB run-draw a personal foul" in their playbook.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

The play was to get extra yards to make the FG kicker's job easier and keep the ball in the middle of the field.  We left the middle of the field wide open to defend the sidelines.  It was a smart call.  Not sure if that was the original play or check when Shough saw all that open real estate right in front of him, but you have to give kudos to whomever made that decision.

Also, I doubt they have a play called "QB run-draw a personal foul" in their playbook.

yep.  Extra yards.  Burn a couple seconds (because if they missed the FG you don't want to give the Panthers time for some miracle attempt). 

It's a just a good call by the Saints and we handled the moment poorly.  Tough spot for the defender in real time.  But that's football. 

[45catfan]

Just now, CRA said:

I mean, he didn't flop.  He got lit up.....and then sold it on top of that just to make sure. 

Yeah, the acting at the end of the play was extra and cringe worthy, but the play itself was indeed illegal.  Our QB tried an acting job earlier in the game and got our LT a personal foul.  Bryce totally flopped on the sideline trying to draw the foul, but fooled Ickey instead the refs.  Dumb move by Ickey, but he did try to stick up for his QB.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

Clearly he's already down in this pic.  What's the debate?

Inconsistent application, and not just in this game or specifically against us.

There are controversies about the endorcement of this rule on a pretty regular basis every season. 

[electro's horse]

2 hours ago, fanpanther said:

i dont understand why thr defenders even dive at someone on the ground all they have to do is touch him or if they were thinking he is running tackle by running through them not diving at them on the ground. 

Defender choked. 

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Inconsistent application, and not just in this game or specifically against us.

There are controversies about the endorcement of this rule on a pretty regular basis every season. 

There's debate about rules and their application every year. Add this one to the laundry list.  

[electro's horse]

37 minutes ago, CRA said:

There was a game earlier this season where he did his slow crumble and it made a lot of the local coverage talking points.   

He also tried to slide and just let go of the ball once.

it might be an issue where they’re going to try to teach it in the offseason and don’t want to give him more than his one read a play to worry about.

and that’s bad because Bryce cannot beat anyone to the sideline. 

[ImfromClayton]

I thought the Lathan Ransom one was legit.  It wasn't super late, and I'm not sure what Latham could have done, but that was an absolutely shocking time to call a QB draw, and kudos to them for thinking of that. I think it was the correct call, but I don't think we can really pile on Lathan Ransom.  If we don't commit a penalty there, the clock probably runs out before they can clock it. 

The one they called on DB, I don't know what he could have done differently. He's a massive human to be stopping and changing direction that quickly. He was already in the process of delivering that hit when Shough started to slide. 

I love Bryce and I'm a big Bryce defender, but he's genuinely awful with this stuff. He does not hustle out of bounds, and he does not slide well. We never get these calls because he doesn't manage that part of the game well. I still think he's our franchise guy, but that's definitely an area for improvement.

The rule is good and helps keep QB's on the field, but they need to start penalizing quarterbacks that take advantage of it, as Mahomes is known to do. That will get rid of the nonsense. I also think we need some sort of adjustment for the late slide. Maybe make it like the old facemask rule. The 5 yard and the 15 yard variety.