Why does Bryce get the blame?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CRA said:

Nah, you are just wanting to argue everyone is wrong while pretending to own no real position.  It’s what you do.  It’s old hat. 

and it’s why they shouldn’t of compared Jimmy to you 

Psychologists call this "projection".

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

 

If they did I didn't see it. But at the end of the day this team is not going to get more eyes on the product on the field getting swept by the Saints with the division and playoffs on the line.

As far as people forming their own opinions and conclusions. I can and will debate in good faith with anyone that is willing to listen and engage and I will try to give someone the benefit of the doubt. But when someone assigns designations onto others such as not being legitimate fans or being the problem holding the franchise back because they aren't singing the company tune to their liking 24/7 that is where I will push back because this franchise is what it is. But it is not a perennial contender where people can draw a line in the sand and tell people they aren't real fans. But that's what I've seen recently and given what's transpired it's even more egregious because the fans want a winner. But if the Panthers can't or won't step up and take it that is on them. The fans are not to blame for it.

Might not have been in this specific thread...

As far as the other, I'm not necessarily reading every post that isn't responding to me so I don't think I saw that.

Mind you, we've certainly seen the "not a real fan" stuff on here before.

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty sure he's led us in rushing more than once.

Pretty sure he hasn’t 

[strato]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Who's gaslighting?

The OP for one. Asserting that people blamed Bryce for the loss in the title of the thread. That was not the prevailing sentiment at the time this thread was created. Very much a minority thing, I don’t remember but maybe one person if that, putting it on Bryce as the main reason. Troll thread. Did a good job too. Look at the pages. 

Someone counting up the draft picks as 10 on offense and 10 on defense or whatever the number was, today or yesterday - of which the offensive ones were heavily 1s and 2s and the defensive picks were heavily day 3 and declaring that proof that the offense wasn’t favored like people claim. The obvious neglect we watched for two years. I spent time refuting that bullshit because someone needed to. 

People saying we are bad horrible people and hate poor lil Bryce for no reason, as if it is a personal thing. Constantly.
 

Along the same lines is people saying we non Bryce fans would rather lose than have him play well and the team wins. That we are mad when the team wins  

Point illustrated. 

 

 

 

[CRA]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Psychologists call this "projection".

You do, the guy who doesn’t appear to grasp projection. 

as the entire board knows, I do in fact, take positions.  The position here I have taken is that Bryce Young is a weak bottom tier starting QB, without NFL starting QB tools, that we must move on from.  

[mrcompletely11]

Mr scotts meds have kicked in

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, strato said:

The OP for one. Asserting that people blamed Bryce for the loss in the title of the thread. That was not the prevailing sentiment at the time this thread was created. Very much a minority thing, I don’t remember but maybe one person if that, putting it on Bryce as the main reason. Troll thread. Did a good job too. Look at the pages. 

Someone counting up the draft picks as 10 on offense and 10 on defense or whatever the number was, today or yesterday - of which the offensive ones were heavily 1s and 2s and the defensive picks were heavily day 3 and declaring that proof that the offense wasn’t favored like people claim. The obvious neglect we watched for two years. I spent time refuting that bullshit because someone needed to. 

People saying we are bad horrible people and hate poor lil Bryce for no reason, as if it is a personal thing. Constantly.
 

Along the same lines is people saying we non Bryce fans would rather lose than have him play well and the team wins. That we are mad when the team wins  

Point illustrated. 

He's not entirely wrong.  There were indeed people arguing that position. Wouldn't say they were the majority though, just a couple of the usual suspects. 

I didn't really follow the draft pick discussion so I can't speak to that. Ditto people being told they're bad for disagreeing (though of late I've been a target of that from the other side)

As far as the wins, I don't know of anyone saying they wish we'd lost (although the "we should have tanked" contingent does tend to show up every December).

What I have seen though are some folks who, even after a win, only want to talk about Bryce being bad.

Sorry, but that's kinda silly.

Heaven knows I wanted Matt Rhule gone but it still felt good when we won (not that it happened a whole lot, but hey...)

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

You do, the guy who doesn’t appear to grasp projection. 

as the entire board knows, I do in fact, take positions.  The position here I have taken is that Bryce Young is a weak bottom tier starting QB, without NFL starting QB tools, that we must move on from.  

And now the old "everyone agrees with me" bit... another internet classic

But if "everyone knows" you do indeed take a position, then perhaps you could have actually answered some of the questions you were asked in this thread instead of just deflecting, repeating the same stuff and being "done with me" for what is it...four times now?

What good is taking a position if you can't logically support it outside of attacking me?

Likewise, given that I've said numerous times I also want to move on from Bryce, why is it so important that you keep arguing with me? It seems to be strictly because my take isn't as negative as yours, but if we're reaching the same answer, why do you care this much? Am I just living that rent free in your head?

Oy

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And now the old "everyone agrees with me" bit... another internet classic

But if "everyone knows" you do indeed take a position, then perhaps you could have actually answered some of the questions you were asked in this thread instead of just deflecting, repeating the same stuff and being "done with me" for what is it...four times now?

What good is taking a position if you can't logically support it outside of attacking me?

Likewise, given that I've said numerous times I also want to move on from Bryce, why is it so important that you keep arguing with me? It seems to be strictly because my take isn't as negative as yours, but if we're reaching the same answer, why do you care this much? Am I just living that rent free in your head?

Oy

Yeah, you keep doubling down on being bad at the schtick you do.  You misused your projection quip.  Now you are pivoting to just making up stances….”everyone agrees with me” lol.  Never uttered.  

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, you keep doubling down on being bad at the schtick you do.  You misused your projection quip.  Now you are pivoting to just making up stances….”everyone agrees with me” lol.  Never uttered.  

Ya know, this would be a great time to actually talk about one of this informed positions you say everyone knows you for. That or at least making an effort to answer some of what's written to you. 

I've given you lots of chances, but all you keep doing is the same old stuff.

Edited 6 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[strato]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He's not entirely wrong.  There were indeed people arguing that position. Wouldn't say they were the majority though, just a couple of the usual suspects. 

I didn't really follow the draft pick discussion so I can't speak to that. Ditto people being told they're bad for disagreeing (though of late I've been a target of that from the other side)

As far as the wins, I don't know of anyone saying they wish we'd lost (although the "we should have tanked" contingent does tend to show up every December).

What I have seen though are some folks who, even after a win, only want to talk about Bryce being bad.

Sorry, but that's kinda silly.

Heaven knows I wanted Matt Rhule gone but it still felt good when we won (not that it happened a whole lot, but hey...)

You are talking about two or three people with the doing it right after a win.  I give it a day. Most people do. 

People are entrenched and it is personal in many cases. It won’t stop until he is gone or turns into Superman. 

[CRA]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've said numerous times I also want to move on from Bryce,

Just keep saying that 

no need for these “talks” you seek

there is another backup QB playing right now that is more threatening than our starter.  

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CRA said:

Just keep saying that 

I have been...yet you keep wanting to argue with me

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, strato said:

You are talking about two or three people with the doing it right after a win.  I give it a day. Most people do. 

People are entrenched and it is personal in many cases. It won’t stop until he is gone or turns into Superman. 

Hence, "the usual suspects".

I get "entrenched" to a certain point, but football can be incredibly fluid. Things change a lot, and sometimes rather quickly.

"Personal" though? That I don't get so much. Bring a passionate fan is cool, but I'm not gonna change my feelings about somebody over a sports discussion.

Hell, I don't even hate most rival fans...except Cowboy fans. 

(but I can't say that out loud)