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Your Feelings on Bryce Through 3 Seasons? (POLL)

Hoenheim

By Hoenheim,
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Your belief in bryce through 3 years   

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  1. 1. How encouraged are you by bryce youngs performance thus far through 3 years

    • 10 Love him , franchise QB for the next decade
      2
    • 9 He's great but needs a tiny bit of polishing
      9
    • 8 He's very good
      15
    • 7 He's good, but not great.
      35
    • 6 he's decent maybe slightly above average
      54
    • 5 he's an average nfl qb that may be destined to be a backup caliber QB
      69
    • 4 he's bad, but he can be at least decent with a couple more years of experience
      13
    • 3 Not a good QB, probably can't be redeemed. But maybe he can be a project someone else can fix
      28
    • 1-2 Terrible, get him off my team, yesterday.
      6

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He's a limitation of the offense. There's just no way around it. Seems like a great guy he's just really physically limited. That isn't going to change. It's the one aspect of sports you can't change. Your physical tools just are what they are. Every team cuts guys they hate having to cut every single year because they have literally everything you want in a player and member of your locker room except for the birth given raw physical talent. Bryce just doesn't have the physical talent to be a successful starting QB. Your offense is just too handcuffed at the most important position on the field. We've seen what Bryce at QB is going to be. A handful of good games a year, a handful of plays here and there, but mainly below average to bad play. Bryce as the backup? Honestly, hell yeah. Sign me up for that. Bryce as the starter? I mean, we've seen it.

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33 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

Nothing has changed for me since even before he was drafted. There’s no way I’d put all my eggs in the basket of a QB who’s 5’10. 

It is already hard enough to win in the NFL but he will always have to overcome his physical limitations on top of that every game he plays. That isn’t a recipe for consistent success.

We don’t see QB sneaks, end of half/game Hail Marys, inconsistent footwork due to not being able to see over the line which leads to a lot of inaccurate passes and unless he magically grows 3-4 inches and puts on 40lbs that’s never going to change.

Kurt Warner posted a video about this stuff going into great detail and things haven’t changed going all the way back to Alabama. It’s just who he is due to his size.

 

Reading stuff like that makes me upset man, not because you are wrong.  I just wonder why the Panthers decided it was a good idea to trade up for a QB who is that physically limited.  It's almost nonsensical.  If casual fans can see this, why do NFL GMs and scouts who get paid big bucks overlook this poo and draft him anyways?????? 

Sometimes I wonder how different the team would look if we had gotten Stroud instead or waited 1 more season to trade up for Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake May etc. We were literally one year off from basically being in a perfect draft to trade up high for a QB lol. 

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18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's a limitation of the offense. There's just no way around it. Seems like a great guy he's just really physically limited. That isn't going to change. It's the one aspect of sports you can't change. Your physical tools just are what they are. Every team cuts guys they hate having to cut every single year because they have literally everything you want in a player and member of your locker room except for the birth given raw physical talent. Bryce just doesn't have the physical talent to be a successful starting QB. Your offense is just too handcuffed at the most important position on the field. We've seen what Bryce at QB is going to be. A handful of good games a year, a handful of plays here and there, but mainly below average to bad play. Bryce as the backup? Honestly, hell yeah. Sign me up for that. Bryce as the starter? I mean, we've seen it.

If Hunter Renfrow was 6’2….he likely could have stayed on the active roster and made some plays.  But he was a tiny guy operating on the opposite side of a massive line with another tiny guy trying to over it and him.  Renfrow has most of what a coach loves but he requires a perfect situation for him being so unique to really fit. 

Bryce would be a great #2.  Which is why it’s going to take a change of location in the end.  Because he won’t be able to transition here to where he belongs 

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If we had gotten Bryce as a flyer in the mid rounds or something i wouldn't be mad at it at all. But trading that amount of capital for a historically tiny QB is nuts. When you make risky moves like that why in God's green earth would you bet in the outlier? Wouldn't Stroud have been the safe bet? 

What about Bryce made him stick out to the staff so much more than Stroud?? Something tells me those pre draft discussions with Fitterer, Morgan, and Reich were not as harmonious as they said they were. There had to have been SOMEONE in that room with strong conter arguments to drafting Bryce. It just defies conventional logic for any other team. Even Kyler at his height could be somewhat justified because that little mother fuger is yoked out and can run like a fast RB and has ridiculous arm strength. Bryce had none of those so the Panthers just liked his creative scramble drill throws at Alabama ? Like wtf?? 

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29 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

He's clearly a 4-5 right now. The question is obviously not "Do we give him $50+ million per year or cut him?" even though that seems to be how half of the people seem to present it. 

The reality is that it's nonsensical to just cut Bryce and completely give up now. We're paying him either way. Bare minimum he gets 1 more year. I would give him the 5th year because it would make him one of the cheapest starters in the NFL and unless you're incredibly biased, you have to acknowledge Bryce is at minimum an above average backup even if he gets no better. So worst case, he doesn't improve and you have a pricy backup/below average bridge starter, perhaps for another rookie qb, on a contract that won't remotely cripple your team and still give you a chance to build a strong roster around your next QB.

I don't think you can assume Bryce can't get better either. Darnold is proof of that. And his Jets years weren't any better/arguably worse than Bryce's 3 years here.

The huge difference is that Darnold had all the physical characteristics of an elite QB, had limited experience in college and needed time to learn the game and some good coaching.

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Unfortunately, as far as Bryce is concerned this year was my worst nightmare. Alll I wanted put if him this year was a definitive answer. Just completely suck or blossom and bloom, don't leave us stuck in this gray area. Now, IMO we got the definitive answer. There's just way too much subpar play. But fir an organization stil desperately trying to cling to him he showed them enough that they're gonna keep clinging and the end result is likely staying stuck in QB purgatory. 

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1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

But he was the #1 overall pick (forget what we traded for him for a moment). A 5'10", noodle armed #1 overall pick.

He wasn't meant to need development. He was the most 'football ready' QB in the Draft. 

Obviously that was all media hype and not based on anything concrete. 

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54 minutes ago, strato said:

Where he was taken and how much that cost definitely is a big sticking point. But I think we are past that. Obviously he wasn’t football ready and developed and ready to elevate average receivers, other than Thielen lol. 
 

We are and have been playing the future game of is he even gonna be a average starter. Seems to me. 

Where he was drafted and what we gave up is the only reason he is still starting 

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1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

But he was the #1 overall pick (forget what we traded for him for a moment). A 5'10", noodle armed #1 overall pick.

He wasn't meant to need development. He was the most 'football ready' QB in the Draft. 

I agree, but maybe if we set aside the hyperboles we were sold pre-draft, maybe some patience will pay off? 

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