Wild Card QB Performance Rankings

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

I guess the 4th year gives him a raise but not huge.
If the 5th year money is not guaranteed, neither is the job. He can be traded. If it is guaranteed, trade is not good but 13.25 mil in 2027 and again in 2028 is the price. 
Someone said 5th year is not guaranteed like the first 4, I haven’t looked into it.

This isn’t really out of hand yet to the point it hampers us in a disastrous way. When they give him a new contract? That is when poo gets too real.  

The 5th year option is $26.5 million fully guaranteed.

[cranky]

59 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I’d have rather seen a pick from forcing a ball to TMac or Coker 

Wait, you would rather have Bryce throw a pick than throw a catchable ball to a receiver who dropped it because he was a rookie. That is some strange logic there.

 

[electro's horse]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

 

It's the whole Bryce conundrum.  His role is to lift boats.  Instead it's the rookie who doesn't really get passes needed to make all the adjustments. 

No one even pretends to expect first round qb production from bryce anymore.

The goalpost has moved to him being better than an unknown free agent. 

[strato]

20 minutes ago, frankw said:

The 5th year option is $26.5 million fully guaranteed.

Makes a trade tougher on our cap doesn’t it? All guaranteed money becomes due the instant you trade the player. Pretty sure. But not 100%, I plan on looking. I remember looking last year when he was benched.  Drooling over the possibilities lol.  
 

I know a release allows the post June 1st designation. 

Edited 49 minutes ago by strato

[cranky]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Someone has already circulated the zoomed in picture and the ball is at his knees.

I would have liked Horn to haul in that pass just as much as anyone else. But the throw absolutely could have been better. I'll never agree with anyone that says there was nothing wrong with the throw. The lack of consistent ball placement has been a point of contention here and for good reason.

Regardless. I don't necessarily fault Horn here because as I said in previous posts he never should have been in that position. Whether it's Canales or Bryce that drive was unacceptable. We had 3 timeouts a decent amount of time to try and get in field goal range and we failed in pitiful fashion. Unacceptable.

The lack of consistent ball placement has been a point of contention here and for good reason.

This season Young has a 16.4% bad throw rate. That's the best of his career. For comparisons, this year CJ Stroud is at 17.6% and Caleb Williams is at 20.7% so Young is more accurate than both of them. Baker is at 15.7% but for his first 5 seasons, he was between 17.9 and 20.9 so while slightly behind Mayfield currently, he is better than him at the same point in their respective careers. Saying he is inaccurate is simply untrue this season.

I don't necessarily fault Horn here because as I said in previous posts he never should have been in that position.

To me, that's an insult to Horn but that's besides the point. Against the Dolphins, the Panthers faced a 4-5 with 3:31 left in the game. Bryce hit Horn for a 17 yrd completion picking up the 4th down and leading to a score for the win. So I don't understand why you wouldn't think he could do it again.

As far as the ball placement, every analyst and former player I have heard has stated Horn should have made the catch. Not one of them has said a thing about the pass being bad or that Bryce should have thrown it better.

Edited 38 minutes ago by cranky

[frankw]

35 minutes ago, strato said:

Makes a trade tougher on our cap doesn’t it? All guaranteed money becomes due the instant you trade the player. Pretty sure. But not 100%, I plan on looking. I remember looking last year when he was benched.  Drooling over the possibilities lol.  
 

I know a release allows the post June 1st designation. 

At this point as fans I think we have to put any trade scenarios out of the realm of possibility. I feel like the only way we move on is a release and that is only contingent on him having a truly dreadful season. Unfortunately my gut tells me we are staring down the barrel of a long term extension so long as he has a marginally decent season. That's how far we've lowered the bar.

[onmyown]

The burden is to spin three years of data, not one game. And this one game does spin those three years.

He played well, no one will argue that. But losing your way into the playoffs doesn’t mean all that much.

Simply look at the QBs left in the playoffs. Yes they are hard to find but they’re not all anomalies. You have to find one of that caliber to win your way in and keep winning.

And in looking at three years of play, not just a game, Young is not that.