Big Ben on drafting a QB and roster building

[NAS]

4 hours ago, strato said:

The Bryce stanning is relentless. 
 

Cam’s team won two games the previous season and legit was picking 1st.
Bryce’s team won 7 games the previous season and was actually in playoff contention. And legit earned the 9th overall pick. 

If anything made that team worse in 2023 than in 2022 it was Bryce. Come on.

And missing DJ, I’ll concede that.  
 

Did someone mention Bryce?

[strato]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Did someone mention Bryce?

There is an attempt to paint Bryce as having a much tougher path vs Cam. 2011 vs 2023 teams. Makes Young look better.  

 I thought it was pretty clear, especially when you look at where it is coming from. I reject it, as usual.  

[XClown1986]

1 hour ago, strato said:

There is an attempt to paint Bryce as having a much tougher path vs Cam. 2011 vs 2023 teams. Makes Young look better.  

 I thought it was pretty clear, especially when you look at where it is coming from. I reject it, as usual.  

Say what you want about easier paths or whatever, but Cam did have some of the most prolific players in Panthers history on his offense in 2011. Jordan Gross, Ryan Kalil, Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart

Bryce had... Taylor Moton? 

So... Yeah.

And this isnt a knock on Cam at all. He elevated this team. It's a knock on Jimmy Clausen. Dude was balls.

Edited January 22 by XClown1986

[Loyalty4Life]

There isn't a right way.  You take advantage of the opportunities you have.  

Finding the right mix is almost an art form or luck.  Right situation, right GM, right coach, right players.  

With as much money as the NFL has, if there was a way to build a successful team every team would be trying to build the same way.  

Ben is just leaning into his bias because that was how it worked with him and he had great success.  

[strato]

18 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

Say what you want about easier paths or whatever, but Cam did have some of the most prolific players in Panthers history on his offense in 2011. Jordan Gross, Ryan Kalil, Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart

Bryce had... Taylor Moton? 

So... Yeah.

And this isnt a knock on Cam at all. He elevated this team. It's a knock on Jimmy Clausen. Dude was balls.

I guess. Can’t dispute the roster that’s for sure. 
I would say that Bryce pretty much = Clausen plus 10% as far as that goes. With Cam being exponentially better than Both. 

 

 

[XClown1986]

1 minute ago, strato said:

I guess. Can’t dispute the roster that’s for sure. 
I would say that Bryce pretty much = Clausen plus 10% as far as that goes. With Cam being exponentially better than Both. 

 

 

Cam is an exponentially better football player. No question.

But saying Bryce is in the same conversation as Clausen? Go back and watch Jimmy again bro. Not even close.

[strato]

2 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

Cam is an exponentially better football player. No question.

But saying Bryce is in the same conversation as Clausen? Go back and watch Jimmy again bro. Not even close.

You watched that abomination that was Bryce Young in 2023? I gave him 10%. Make it 20% if it makes you feel better.  Horrible is horrible. 
 

If either one was a piece of food you would spit them both out. 

Edited January 22 by strato

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

Cam is an exponentially better football player. No question.

But saying Bryce is in the same conversation as Clausen? Go back and watch Jimmy again bro. Not even close.

Rookie year? Yeah. They could be in the same conversation. Both were terrible to the point of deserving to never have stepped foot on the field at all that year. 

[XClown1986]

16 minutes ago, strato said:

You watched that abomination that was Bryce Young in 2023? I gave him 10%. Make it 20% if it makes you feel better.  Horrible is horrible. 
 

If either one was a piece of food you would spit them both out. 

Both were hard to watch. No doubt. I just know that when watching Clausen I was actively screaming at the TV for his inept play. Bryce, I more felt bad for? Different feelings of frustration.

[TheSpecialJuan]

19 hours ago, NAS said:

Speaking about Steelers

“I would not draft a quarterback for at least two to three years. That's just my opinion. I think as a GM, if I'm GMing this team ... the issue that I see with a lot of teams is they get a quarterback and they try and build around that quarterback. I think it should be the other way around. I think you should build a team and put your quarterback in it. Okay? It happened to me. They had a great football team. They plugged me in. We had a veteran group. It just works. It works better than trying to grab a quarterback and be, okay, we're gonna build around this quarterback, because then it's gonna take you four or five years to build around that quarterback. He's probably gonna look like poo up to it and then you're like, is he really our guy? is he not our guy?" 

I agree with him. Only downside  is if you build too good of a roster you’re not drafting high enough to get your  QB

Big Ben Rapistberger 

[electro's horse]

Bryce wouldn't be able to play in 2010 just because you could still hit qbs back then, and fall on them with your weight. Clausen could run the same offense Bryce is running today. 

Pat White was basically the same size as Bryce and

https://www.tiktok.com/@iamspeedkillz/video/7561280897169755405

Edited January 22 by electro's horse

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

Both were hard to watch. No doubt. I just know that when watching Clausen I was actively screaming at the TV for his inept play. Bryce, I more felt bad for? Different feelings of frustration.

Pickles was a 2nd round pick. Bryce was 1st overall. At some point you expected to see something, anything for any period of time that showed why he was a 1st overall pick. I never saw it.

The top QB in the draft is expected to elevate the players around him. Clausen didnt have that same level of expectation. Also have to remember that Bradford got a record rookie contract that year too. Can you imagine if we had given Bryce a comparable contract? We'd probably be paying close to 40m a season or more. We'd be doing more than screaming if Clausen and Bryce had been drafted in the same era. 

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Bryce wouldn't be able to play in 2010 just because you could still hit qbs back then, and fall on them with your weight. Clausen could run the same offense Bryce is running. 

Pat White was basically the same size as Bryce and

 

Tez Johnson is 154 lbs, plays WR and he isn't getting hurt.

The size thing is MASSIVELY overplayed as an issue. It's all the other horseshit that is the issue.

[electro's horse]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Tez Johnson is 154 lbs, plays WR and he isn't getting hurt.

Weird how he's survived getting tackled by all those 300 pound DBs out there.