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PFF Best Deep Ball Thrower Award

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strato Grand Master

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53 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Don't bring that kind of logic in here. You'll get labeled a homer by condescending posters who like to identify what they think is irony despite having no concept of what the terms "irony" and "cope" actually mean.

This is the second, at least, comment in here that is personally attacking people who criticize Young. Calling us things. Questioning our intelligence.
The other one was “miserable losers”, think. 

It is telling, that I don’t see any from the Bryce doubters insulting your intellect or character. Speaks for itself. 
 

Which saves me the trouble of insulting you. 

 

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17 minutes ago, strato said:

This is the second, at least, comment in here that is personally attacking people who criticize Young. Calling us things. Questioning our intelligence.
The other one was “miserable losers”, think. 

It is telling, that I don’t see any from the Bryce doubters insulting your intellect or character. Speaks for itself. 
 

Which saves me the trouble of insulting you. 

 

Oh there are posters who actually do both to me, and call me a Bryce homer when Stevie Wonder could read my post history and see that’s not the case. I treat those on here the way they treat me. Perhaps instead of only reading a reply you should consider the reason for the reply. 

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57 minutes ago, VintagePanther said:

Yall hate on Bryce for every little thing even his positives , so much so, Yall converted me back into pulling for him lol . damn do yall not get tired of crying about the same poo and pushing the same narratives?. We heard yall crying all year with the same argument it’s old now . Move on. You don’t have all the answers 

I don't think think anyone is actively rooting against him. Okay, maybe some. But Bryce seems like a really good dude. I don't see you anyone could view the person negatively. But this ain't about that. This is about whether or not we truly think we can compete for SBs with Bryce Young at QB. I don't. Especially if you give him a legit starting QB contract.

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46 minutes ago, Swaggasaurus said:

I like a lot about Bryce. But I also understand why Dave doesn’t trust him. I really think he’s going to get better despite the physical deficiencies.

He got better this year. But he was still overall bad. It's about the incredibly low physical ceiling he has.

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53 minutes ago, VintagePanther said:

Yall hate on Bryce for every little thing even his positives , so much so, Yall converted me back into pulling for him lol . damn do yall not get tired of crying about the same poo and pushing the same narratives?. We heard yall crying all year with the same argument it’s old now . Move on. You don’t have all the answers 

absurd stuff is just that.  That PFF stat is absurd.   You should be able to point out the PFF thing without folks claiming Bryce is somehow being unfairly attacked because of that. 

Bryce has positives.  The "haters" have even pointed those out pretty consistently.  But the flaws are still the flaws and the absurd PFF stuff is still absurd. 

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Nobody save for one or two idiots actually wants Bryce Young to be a bust. But the blinders and bafflingly low standards people apply for a fourth year #1 pick are both comical and embarrassing.

Then you have folks complaining about what they claim is toxicity and then turning right around and being toxic while trying to claim the moral high ground. This is why the huddle will always be entertaining.

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1 hour ago, VintagePanther said:

Yall hate on Bryce for every little thing even his positives , so much so, Yall converted me back into pulling for him lol . damn do yall not get tired of crying about the same poo and pushing the same narratives?. We heard yall crying all year with the same argument it’s old now . Move on. You don’t have all the answers 

I don't hate Bryce. I hate the narrative. And the reason I hate it is if Bryce was on another team, doing the same things with the same results, we'd all still be laughing about the stupidity of that same narrative. 

And part of that narrative is that you can have 4 "deep ball" passes on a drive and still be on the opponent's 19 yard line barely in the red zone. That is just beyond stupid. 

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1 hour ago, Joe Bear said:

Oh there are posters who actually do both to me, and call me a Bryce homer when Stevie Wonder could read my post history and see that’s not the case. I treat those on here the way they treat me. Perhaps instead of only reading a reply you should consider the reason for the reply. 

If you restricted the content of your reply to opinions on the subject rather than insulting g the people who post something g you don’t agree with, I wouldn’t say a word.

 

poo is unnecessary. 

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40 minutes ago, CRA said:

absurd stuff is just that.  That PFF stat is absurd.   You should be able to point out the PFF thing without folks claiming Bryce is somehow being unfairly attacked because of that. 

Bryce has positives.  The "haters" have even pointed those out pretty consistently.  But the flaws are still the flaws and the absurd PFF stuff is still absurd. 

yes. I never paid much attention to these stats until people started using them to tell me how great Bryce is. 
When I have watched every snap he ever took and look at video during the week, and can objectively see how ‘great’ he is, what his throws look like, the whole thing.

The stats criteria is just misleading to faulty when you look at it. That doesn’t reflect on Bryce, I can’t see how it does. It is directed at the criteria being used to evaluate him. And others.  
 

No joke, the game casts now call a 16 yard TD a deep pass - I can only surmise it is because it went 4 yards deep in the end zone making it a 20 yard throw.

Who among us, all being likely lifelong football fans, grew up picturing a 16 yard TD pass as a deep ball? Anybody? 
It is just not a helpful stat, it is absurd.

There is no stat for 30 yard throws. Nor for 40. And so on. And they are generally more demanding throws. Say your QB nailed 4 35 yard throws in a game and my QB nailed 4 20s. Should they be rated equally as deep passers off of that? Tell me my guy is has the best rate on 20-30 yard throws instead. Break it down. 


To call 20 yards and everything past that the same thing? Why would you do that? I mean, calling a 20 yard pass a deep ball, is like calling Bryce tall. 
 


 

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      PFF Best Deep Ball Thrower Award

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      I've only ever considered it possible for 1, maybe 2 if pinned inside the 10, deep balls per drive. The play is just too big. A new deep ball can be completed in under 2.5 seconds. That just isn't right. 
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      It’s out there to look up. There is a definition. It is so convoluted and broad I got frustrated before I could finish it.  It just seemed wrong to me.  I think the words they choose for the names of these stats are the bigger problem than the stat itself. Because there were things in that definition that I thought to myself “how is that big time?”
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      PFF Best Deep Ball Thrower Award

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      yes. I never paid much attention to these stats until people started using them to tell me how great Bryce is.  When I have watched every snap he ever took and look at video during the week, and can objectively see how ‘great’ he is, what his throws look like, the whole thing. The stats criteria is just misleading to faulty when you look at it. That doesn’t reflect on Bryce, I can’t see how it does. It is directed at the criteria being used to evaluate him. And others.     No joke, the game casts now call a 16 yard TD a deep pass - I can only surmise it is because it went 4 yards deep in the end zone making it a 20 yard throw. Who among us, all being likely lifelong football fans, grew up picturing a 16 yard TD pass as a deep ball? Anybody?  It is just not a helpful stat, it is absurd. There is no stat for 30 yard throws. Nor for 40. And so on. And they are generally more demanding throws. Say your QB nailed 4 35 yard throws in a game and my QB nailed 4 20s. Should they be rated equally as deep passers off of that? Tell me my guy is has the best rate on 20-30 yard throws instead. Break it down.  To call 20 yards and everything past that the same thing? Why would you do that? I mean, calling a 20 yard pass a deep ball, is like calling Bryce tall.     
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