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At this point its Sadiq or bust... A

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1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

We already have a OL. Adding a weapon is definitely what the offense needs. Our weakest position on offense is probably right maybe center at this point. Don't see a first round center so tight it is in my opinion.

Our Offense needs a QB. What good are weapons when we cant use them?

We have stop gap deals at 2 main OL position not to mention no depth, so IMO no we dont have an offense line we have the makings of one but not complete by anymeans.

 

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1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

Sounds like your complaint is more about Bryce than the player. So by your opinion what should we do just suck on offense and hope for more defensive wins? Bryce is fine.. not elite not bad. I think you can win with him if he has enough help around him. Having a 6'4 240 4.38 tight end matched up with linebackers and or corners seems like a valuable chess piece to me. I don't care if he's an H back or whatever.

The guy is a football player who displays off the charts athleticism which is exactly what this offense lacks. Him and leggette probably timed close to the same 40 except he's bigger and has a higher vertical and can stretch the field and plays tight end. I honestly don't see what's not to love.

No offense but if anyone can look at BY stats or just watch a game for the last 3 years and determine he's "not bad" than I personally wouldn't trust their assessment of talent. Backup level at best.  

You're right my problem is more with BY than the player because if you draft a TE that high you need to get the most out of that pick (Warren/Bowers) and I have ZERO faith that BY could do that or this offensive coaching staff for that matter.

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49 minutes ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

No offense but if anyone can look at BY stats or just watch a game for the last 3 years and determine he's "not bad" than I personally wouldn't trust their assessment of talent. Backup level at best.  

You're right my problem is more with BY than the player because if you draft a TE that high you need to get the most out of that pick (Warren/Bowers) and I have ZERO faith that BY could do that or this offensive coaching staff for that matter.

TEs are probably the easiest targets fod a bad QB. Not sure I follow your logic.

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1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

They’d be soooo much better off drafting Cooper Jr over Sadiq if they’re going pass catcher 

Different calibers of talent. Sadiq is 4-5 inches taller and like 45 pounds heavier and faster Still cooper isn't 6'4 240 40 in vertical. Can't block as well as Sadiq and isn't as fast. Like this isn't that hard to see. You wouldn't even have to take your main two weapons off the field in McMillan and Coker, and he would be the fastest player we have on offense...

How many guys that big run that fast and play that position? Not only are his numbers elite the tape matches up. These are talents are what push the odds in a teams favor because chances are you have to change your personal to match him.

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3 minutes ago, csx said:

TEs are probably the easiest targets fod a bad QB. Not sure I follow your logic.

My logic is BY can't hit the broad side of barn most the times or even get the ball out. So what's the point of drafting a player that high that won't get the most out of him.  Especially when we still need more on the OL to protect his 5'9" frame 

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5 minutes ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

My logic is BY can't hit the broad side of barn most the times or even get the ball out. So what's the point of drafting a player that high that won't get the most out of him.  Especially when we still need more on the OL to protect his 5'9" frame 

19 isn't high at all really.. Bryce accuracy is actually one of his strong points. I m kinda not understanding your logic at all. By most people's metric Bryce had a good season. He's gonna be the guy this coming season and probably next.

Might as well make the most out of it.

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1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

19 isn't high at all really.. Bryce accuracy is actually one of his strong points. Are you new here?

I've watched enough BY Panther games to know he ain't it regardless of whatever PFF numbers ppl look at. 

Drafting a non-inline TE isn't going to help. 

You obviously feel different but until we get a legit QB I don't see spending another 1st rd pick on a weapon that his limitations won't be able to utilize properly. 

This team with sure will and some luck got us to the playoffs not QB play by far. People have quickly forgotten this obviously

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5 minutes ago, CarolinaSock said:

We've used a 1st or 2nd rounder on a receiver in 4 of the last 5 drafts. 7 of our 9 1st and 2nd rounders in that time were on offense and that doesn't count all the extra picks given up for Bryce. Let's spend some draft capital on defense for a change.

You just spent like 150 mil on defense... Not including the slew of draft pics not named tet last year.. defense was better than the offense last year in sorry

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4 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't understand this fan bases infatuation with adding a high end TE?

Especially when we have some bigger bodies in T-Mac and Coker who can slide into the slot at times and provide the big dependable target over the middle that most teams use their TE for.

I mean, sure, it would be nice to have one of those elite TE's, but I feel like that's a position your better off going cheap with a committee who each bring something different to the table while spending our cap room on the more important positions.

I like the potential we saw from Evans this year, Sanders could be a best if he can stay healthy, and Tremble has improved as well.  Just feels like spending high draft picks or cap space on other needs and more important positions is a better use of our resources than splashing on a TE in the draft or FA.

Are those guys on the level of the Bowers or McBride's of the world?  Of course not, but we also are paying a fraction of the cost on our TE room than they are, and we're able to use that money for other needs.

Look at all the successful teams in recent years. Most of them have great tight ends.

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6 hours ago, Montsta said:

I feel like we never have good luck with these not-sure-what-position-they-play or how-they’ll-be-used type guys.

A certain Appalachian State QB comes to mind. 

Eric Norwood was like that--of course, you could say Thomas Davis was too as a rookie

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