At this point its Sadiq or bust... A

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4 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Yes, 1st rd te is pointless

That's going a little too far. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

19 isn't high at all really.. Bryce accuracy is actually one of his strong points. I m kinda not understanding your logic at all. By most people's metric Bryce had a good season. He's gonna be the guy this coming season and probably next.

Might as well make the most out of it.

I'm not sure what metric most of these people are going by, but I damn sure wouldn't trust it. 16 games to barely pass 3k yards on a Stanford band pass. Yes he had 27TD passes but the offense was stagnant a lot of the time. He never had 2 games back to back of franchise QB level play. He had moments that were good but more that were bad. He was outplayed by a backup QB in Arizona. 

Compared to his rookie year, Bryce had a good season. Compared to the other franchise QBs in the NFL, Bryce barely made it to the finish line. 

[micnificent28]

22 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm not sure what metric most of these people are going by, but I damn sure wouldn't trust it. 16 games to barely pass 3k yards on a Stanford band pass. Yes he had 27TD passes but the offense was stagnant a lot of the time. He never had 2 games back to back of franchise QB level play. He had moments that were good but more that were bad. He was outplayed by a backup QB in Arizona. 

Compared to his rookie year, Bryce had a good season. Compared to the other franchise QBs in the NFL, Bryce barely made it to the finish line. 

I am by no means trying to say he's a world beater. I'm saying it's trending in the right direction. Especially when measured against himself.i think the team feel the same way or else they wouldn't have picked up his option. Plus I think there is a new idea in the NFL about these young QBs. Teams give up to soon.

Browns gave up to soon on baker same with the jets on Geno and darnold. Maybe they are who you thought they were in the draft process and they need more time to develop than you originally planned. Either way. I do think he is as capable as darnold is as far as you can win a championship with him. And something he does have that darnold doesn't is he is clutch. 

If I need one more drive and 2 mins to go I'm betting on Bryce and I am far from a homer, just going off his game winning drives. He has that dog in him on the last drive.

[SmokinwithWilly]

17 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I am by no means trying to say he's a world beater. I'm saying it's trending in the right direction. Especially when measured against himself.i think the team feel the same way or else they wouldn't have picked up his option. Plus I think there is a new idea in the NFL about these young QBs. Teams give up to soon.

Browns gave up to soon on baker same with the jets on Geno and darnold. Maybe they are who you thought they were in the draft process and they need more time to develop than you originally planned. Either way. I do think he is as capable as darnold is as far as you can win a championship with him. And something he does have that darnold doesn't is he is clutch. 

If I need one more drive and 2 mins to go I'm betting on Bryce and I am far from a homer, just going off his game winning drives. He has that dog in him on the last drive.

But is it about letting Bryce develop or about winning games? Bryce has not been good enough to be an uncontested starter. He just hasn't. How many times has last drive Bryce shown up for 4 entire quarters? Once in 3 seasons? You aren't going to win 9 or 10 one score games every season year in and year out. You may want Bryce in the last 2 minutes. I want that Bryce the full 60. 

No one is saying you have to give up on him, but bringing in another QB that can do anything is not hindering Bryce. It helps the team and that's where the focus needs to be. If drafting Sadiq to plague the middle of the field would help out offense, but Bryce struggles to get pass into the middle of the field, is Sadiq a bad pick? Or could he be a good pick with a better option at QB? We can't be afraid to improve. QB, TE, OL, LB, DL, CB, S. It doesn't matter. The goal is SBs, not 5 to 8 years seeing waiting to see if Bryce can develop while the rest of the league keeps passing us by. 

Sadiq is a nice option, but I think we have to address tackle if one we like is there because we are painfully thin after this year, a LB to general the field, and a true ball hawking safety that can set the tone in the secondary. Those 3 positions are bigger game changers than a TE that will likely struggle to make a round 1 impact in this offense. 

[strato]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

I am by no means trying to say he's a world beater. I'm saying it's trending in the right direction. Especially when measured against himself.i think the team feel the same way or else they wouldn't have picked up his option. Plus I think there is a new idea in the NFL about these young QBs. Teams give up to soon.

Browns gave up to soon on baker same with the jets on Geno and darnold. Maybe they are who you thought they were in the draft process and they need more time to develop than you originally planned. Either way. I do think he is as capable as darnold is as far as you can win a championship with him. And something he does have that darnold doesn't is he is clutch. 

If I need one more drive and 2 mins to go I'm betting on Bryce and I am far from a homer, just going off his game winning drives. He has that dog in him on the last drive.

He has done well in spots late.

but you are forgetting there was a 4play sequence where we could have gone down and forced OT. We discussed how that went after the game and people were split, many blamed it on Canales.  Many blamed it on a receiver not catching pass. It was 4 plays every one a failure. Don’t fool yourself thinking that he does it at will. 
 

talking about the WC game. 

Edited 3 hours ago by strato

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3 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

You just spent like 150 mil on defense... Not including the slew of draft pics not named tet last year.. defense was better than the offense last year in sorry

I could smell this excuse coming. Any starter drafted after the 2nd is a bonus, not an expectation. Oh we need more offensive help because we spent so much on defense. We spent all that because we've barely drafted any defensive starters the last 5 years. The way I see it you'll get a better return on investment in defense than offense currently with this team. We proved that last year with just a modicum of investment in the defense. I'm not the biggest believer in Evero but I trust him more than Bryce. 

The biggest factor holding the offense back wears #9. Accuracy is one of his strengths? 23rd in the league while being 30th in Y/A. Someone will claim we get no YAC but 49% of our yards were YAC which is higher than most teams in the league.  Unless he drastically improves you're going to get a bad return on investment. Yes TMac had a great rookie year but it wasn't exactly efficient volume wise. He has one of the worst catch % in the league at just 57%, probably related to that 23rd accuracy ranking.

[carpanfan96]

I don't think Sadiq is going to be on the Panthers board and the beat reporters are giving away that impression by mentioning that he doesn't fit the physical requirements of the Panthers scouting staff.