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Kyle Bailey suggests defense going 3-4 is an option

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On 1/11/2019 at 8:24 PM, Hammerin'Cam1 said:

That's just pure speculation at this point. I don't think we view Peppers who has 159.5 career sacks the same as we see Thomas Davis who has a clear replacement in Shaq already on the team.

really? we let go of peppers too... 58 is in on more plays, def. got more going for him.

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On 1/11/2019 at 6:03 PM, Ship said:

Interesting. Definitely seems like there are a lot more OLB pass rush guys out there as prospects than true stud DEs.

DE: short

NT: poe

DE: butler

OLB: rookie

MLB: shaq

MLB: Luke

OLB: FA or someone who can covert on the team

Butler?  Better a first round DE. Wouldn't Haynes be worth a look at OLB?  Is Love behind Poe or Poe behind Love?  Are neither of our two rookie LB worthy OLB material?

DE: short/Addison

NT: poe/love

DE: rookie/Butler

OLB: Haynes

MLB: shaq

MLB: Luke

OLB: FA or LB on roster

 

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13 minutes ago, Glitchh said:

Butler?  Better a first round DE. Wouldn't Haynes be worth a look at OLB?  Is Love behind Poe or Poe behind Love?  Are neither of our two rookie LB worthy OLB material?

DE: short/Addison

NT: poe/love

DE: rookie/Butler

OLB: Haynes

MLB: shaq

MLB: Luke

OLB: FA or LB on roster

 

The reality of that situation is an awful 3-4 defense  Luke, Poe, and Short are the only ones that fit at all. And Short probably is not even a good fit 

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It would be interesting if we switched to a 3-4. Don't think we have the players to fit that scheme since we really don't have any speed rushers, but it is much easier to draw up creative blitzes with a 3-4 than a 4-3 IMO. Guessing it would be Addison, Poe, Short on the dline, Luke and Shaq as MLBs, and not sure who would be OLBs (maybe Carter and draft picks/FAs). A 3-4 would have been better when we had Star because he was a great run stuffer and drew a lot of double teams.

 

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Addison would be an OLB. Hes nowhere close to being a 3-4 DE. Those guys typically go 290 lbs on the low side 

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12 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

Cool let's be real.. The idea of seeing something different no matter how bad it is interesting.. I'd rather be good next year thoe.. 

The rest of your statement is utterly false..  We are 2 quality DE and some secondary pieces away from a good 43 defense..

We are atleast 6 players away from even playing a 3/4 let alone it being a avg. Defense..

 

For discussion sake, what 6 pieces are we away from in a 3-4 defense?

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8 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

Addison would be an OLB. Hes nowhere close to being a 3-4 DE. Those guys typically go 290 lbs on the low side 

Correct. It would be Butler, Poe, Short. 

- 5-Technique Defensive End 

Size, length (reach) and strength to play the “2-gap” technique versus offensive tackles with the athletic ability to align as a “1-gap” defender. These players are space-eaters who keep blockers from getting to the second level while also disrupting protection schemes up front.

The Texans’ J.J. Watt (6’5”, 290 lbs), 49ers’ Justin Smith (6’4”, 285 lbs) and Jets’ Muhammad Wilkerson (6’4”, 310 lbs) are prime examples of 5-technique defensive ends with the ideal skill set/size to produce at the position in the NFL game.

 

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13 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

For discussion sake, what 6 pieces are we away from in a 3-4 defense?

Imo.. 3 OLB, 2 DE, and a backup NT...  Maybe 1 ILB .. But that again is just the front 7.. We still need 2 secondary players maybe 3 if we don't resign Reid..

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I'd love it. One reason our pass rush has faltered is because we can't find any good DE's to fit our scheme. One reason for that is because more and more colleges are going to the 3-4 now. The best pass rushers at the college level are starting to rely on speed and athleticism as opposed to strength and power. You'll see now, even with this draft most of the best pass rushers are labeled as "EDGE" players as opposed to DE's. I think the route to building a great pass rush again could be through a 3-4.

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9 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

Addison would be an OLB. Hes nowhere close to being a 3-4 DE. Those guys typically go 290 lbs on the low side 

Addison would have to be cut or just wouldn't see the field if we swapped to a 3-4.  We've seen him in coverage and YIKES it isn't pretty.  Can you imagine him covering a RB or slot receiver in the flats?  Yeah.... that's first down city every time.  Just one of the many reasons it doesn't make sense to switch to a 3-4  (unless we want to be really really bad on defense for at least a couple years)

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47 minutes ago, PantherNation123 said:

Addison would have to be cut or just wouldn't see the field if we swapped to a 3-4.  We've seen him in coverage and YIKES it isn't pretty.  Can you imagine him covering a RB or slot receiver in the flats?  Yeah.... that's first down city every time.  Just one of the many reasons it doesn't make sense to switch to a 3-4  (unless we want to be really really bad on defense for at least a couple years)

you could use Addison as a down hill rushing LB and move him around. it's been done before with success. his snap count would go down a bit but that might be an advantage for him since he would be fresh more often.

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6 hours ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

I'd love it. One reason our pass rush has faltered is because we can't find any good DE's to fit our scheme. One reason for that is because more and more colleges are going to the 3-4 now. The best pass rushers at the college level are starting to rely on speed and athleticism as opposed to strength and power. You'll see now, even with this draft most of the best pass rushers are labeled as "EDGE" players as opposed to DE's. I think the route to building a great pass rush again could be through a 3-4.

3-4 and nickel defense. Ronald wants to be stuck in a 4-3 and soft zone like its 2011. Draft busts like Hall and Butler. poo even KK has been in struggle mode since his money and Star is gone. It's very frustrating. I'm hoping this year woke some people up

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We don’t have the personnel to play solid defense with 12 men on the field

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6 hours ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

I'd love it. One reason our pass rush has faltered is because we can't find any good DE's to fit our scheme. One reason for that is because more and more colleges are going to the 3-4 now. The best pass rushers at the college level are starting to rely on speed and athleticism as opposed to strength and power. You'll see now, even with this draft most of the best pass rushers are labeled as "EDGE" players as opposed to DE's. I think the route to building a great pass rush again could be through a 3-4.

Clemson had a pretty good pass rush with 4 down lineman

our problem is that our front 4 suck

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8 minutes ago, bull123 said:

We don’t have the personnel to play solid defense with 12 men on the field

You can only field 11 players on a defense. Watch football. Good Lord. 

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1 hour ago, bull123 said:

Clemson had a pretty good pass rush with 4 down lineman

our problem is that our front 4 suck

Never once did I say no good teams run a 4-3 in college anymore lol

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