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Just now, Fryfan said:

Tax based on wealth not income. Relief on wealth.  
 

baseline reset taking college tuition healthcare fees ownership clsss dismantled. Etc. 

i mean still tax income but we need to tax capital waaay more than we tax income. 

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Listen if anyone cares to look up mayor Ben Nichols this is the person I got in politics interest and worked with his campaign. He was a wiz at stimulus working in local levels and keeping dollars in communities. 
 

we all know they get sucked out bt those up on the scale. 

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4 minutes ago, TheBlue said:

i mean still tax income but we need to tax capital waaay more than we tax income. 

At the very least equally.  Held assets need looking into. Realized gains does little to right the ship. 

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12 hours ago, PhillyB said:

you selfish fugs. i worked 60-70 hours a week at a hotel bar through undergrad AND grad school so i wouldn't have to take loans at all, something no one else in my peer group was willing to do. yet i support forgiving their debts. why? because i am not a selfish pathetic fug and i'm in support of things that better society even if i don't personally benefit directly from it, because i'm not a fuging child at daycare complaining some other kid got an extra cookie. conservative christians are so pathologically selfish and petty it makes me want to fuging puke 

I think its funny that I got this email yesterday right in the middle of this debate on the forum.  YAY!

 

 

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11 hours ago, rodeo said:

most diverse base

most momentum

leading the polls

most excitement

most likely to beat trump

at this point if you still oppose bernie it's because you support donald trump

I definitely disagree with you there.  I know plenty of never Trumpers who will gladly vote for some of the other Democrats but will go 3rd party if Bernie is the nominee.  These are people who would never even consider voting for Donald Trump.

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8 hours ago, Moorgan said:

Means testing only allows for future politicians to deny. I agree with you on many things Fry but this is a hard no.

it's easy to agree on abstract ideas but when it comes time to put policy to paper it's obvious why he's in the tank for liz. means testing is about "fixing" the market. making it work "better" but not replacing it. it runs counter to the goals of socialism. fryfan has created confusion on this forum by calling himself a socialist when he's not. if means testing and other forms of "reform" are socialist then you might as well call the clintons socialist 

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13 hours ago, PhillyB said:

you selfish fugs. i worked 60-70 hours a week at a hotel bar through undergrad AND grad school so i wouldn't have to take loans at all, something no one else in my peer group was willing to do. yet i support forgiving their debts. why? because i am not a selfish pathetic fug and i'm in support of things that better society even if i don't personally benefit directly from it, because i'm not a fuging child at daycare complaining some other kid got an extra cookie. conservative christians are so pathologically selfish and petty it makes me want to fuging puke 

I support aiding all these people who have been fugged over with these student loans

I support making free public higher education going forward

and I'm not looking for poo in return for supporting ANY that.   My wife and I are currently paying for grad school after both of us taking out and paying undergrad loans.   I support ALL that because I have kids and I want those that come after me to not be in the bullshit scenarios that have been created for so many.   We currently are on path where higher education is just a scam for most. 

So spare me with this selfish fug projection poo. What you mean simply is that this dude doesn't support what Bernie says ....so therefore I will trash him as anti-everything despite the fact he clearly supports policies that address the topics.   What it also means is you don't pay attention to what anyone actually says once you hear someone doesn't 100% agree with you. 

There is only so much money we can print.  High income earners own almost 1/3 of all student debt.   Everyone doesn't need the same assistance.   Just a fact.  Lot more problems exist than just student loan debt and a lot are coming our way.  Random example, we have an senior wave that is about to wreck this country in a variety of waves.  Cant' tackle every problem with a magic wand.   

 

 

 

 

 

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thinking college should be free but that we shouldn't forgive college debt is nonsensical. why is forgiving debt a "fug you" to people who were able to pay for college but universal public college isn't a fug you to everyone who had to pay for it or go deep into debt before?

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1 hour ago, Wes21 said:

I definitely disagree with you there.  I know plenty of never Trumpers who will gladly vote for some of the other Democrats but will go 3rd party if Bernie is the nominee.  These are people who would never even consider voting for Donald Trump.

well those are fuggin republicans now aren't they. they can't expect the democratic party to nominate who they want any more than i can expect the republican party to nominate who i want.

like when is the last time you heard "there are a lot of democrats who won't vote for trump, so the republicans would be better off nominating AOC as their candidate." it sounds absurd huh but for some reason people expect the left to appeal to the right but not the other way around

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26 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

thinking college should be free but that we shouldn't forgive college debt is nonsensical. why is forgiving debt a "fug you" to people who were able to pay for college but universal public college isn't a fug you to everyone who had to pay for it or go deep into debt before?

all college shouldn't be free.  I don't think all should be free. 

Bernie doesn't either.  Warren doesn't.

If you do, you stand alone from them.

why the fug are we going to pay off any and every loan debt for high income earners?   and why are you wiping clean debt from paths that Bernie has no intention of making free going forward. 

As I said, there is only so much money you can print.  There are more needs coming our way that just the handful Bernie is making his campaign on. 

 

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8 minutes ago, CRA said:

all college shouldn't be free.  I don't think all should be free. 

Bernie doesn't either.  Warren doesn't.

If you do, you stand alone from them.

why the fug are we going to pay off any and every loan debt for high income earners?   As I said, there is only so much money you can print.  There are more needs coming our way that just the handful Bernie is making his campaign on. 

 

not doing this today. just know you aren't convincing a soul. if anything your posts are pushing people left.

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40 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

it's easy to agree on abstract ideas but when it comes time to put policy to paper it's obvious why he's in the tank for liz. means testing is about "fixing" the market. making it work "better" but not replacing it. it runs counter to the goals of socialism. fryfan has created confusion on this forum by calling himself a socialist when he's not. if means testing and other forms of "reform" are socialist then you might as well call the clintons socialist 

Just a note.  I have no interest in taking your troll bait nor you questioning my activism within the socialist movement in real life.  
 

I can stand behind things I’ve done and are doing. You are irrelevant with your attempts to bait me. 

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4 minutes ago, Fryfan said:

Just a note.  I have no interest in taking your troll bait nor you questioning my activism within the socialist movement in real life.  
 

I can stand behind things I’ve done and are doing. You are irrelevant with your attempts to bait me. 

words have meaning fryfan. you are not a socialist.

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