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37 minutes ago, Mage said:

Gano (2017-2018): 93.5 FG%, 91.4 XP% (9 total missed kicks)

Butker (2017-2018): 89.9 FG%, 95.9 XP% (11 total missed kicks)

Yea, he's outkicked him alright...

To tack onto your stats to help @thefuzz out since he doesn’t want to do any research:

2017-2018 Playoffs stats:

Harrison Butker: 66.7 FG% (missed 1 of 3)

Graham Gano: 80 FG% (missed 1 of 5)

Oh by the way, the one playoff FG Butker missed?  It was in a 21-22 loss to the Titans...ouch. But by all means, let’s put Butker up on a pedestal while talking about how much Gano sucks. Like I said, they’re comparable in their performance (which was being generous to Butker if anything) but Butker is just much cheaper.

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2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Extra points are tougher now.

The last few years sure. But every year for the last decade? That's called inconsistency. Worth top money? Fug no.

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6 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Mare never really had an issue with XP's. He was just absurdly unreliable with FG's. Kinda the opposite of Gano. Maybe we should raise the bar above two woefully inconsistent kickers that hurt the team as much as they help?

I would love to see how you’d react to someone cherry-picking stats to trash Cam Newton, like “here’s a list of Cam’s completion percentage to show how much he sucks!”. If you have to use a stat that portrays Olindo Mare as one of the better kickers in NFL history, you should probably take a second to re-evaluate.

Do you have a short memory or do you recall how many missed XPs were blocked due to our line letting guys come through untouched?

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This fanbase is a joke. Dudes are in here trying to drag Cam Newton into this to defend a mediocre kicker who is one of the highest paid in the NFL.

You deserve mediocrity.

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7 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

cherry-picking stats

How does one cherry pick XP percentage for kickers? It's their main purpose for being on the roster right along with FG's.

Who tries this hard to shield a fugging kicker? Not just any kicker mind you, one that even Washington couldn't wait to run out of town, and they have been one of the most poorly ran organizations in the league for years.

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32 minutes ago, TheRed said:

How does one cherry pick XP percentage for kickers? It's their main purpose for being on the roster right along with FG's.

Who tries this hard to shield a fugging kicker? Not just any kicker mind you, one that even Washington couldn't wait to run out of town, and they have been one of the most poorly ran organizations in the league for years.

 

You are saying we shouldn't shield Gano.  Okay then.  Name an option who is available who would be better.

If you can't answer the question, then what exactly is your problem with us keeping Gano?

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The issue with some of ya'll is you think this is Madden.  No team is going to have a good player at every single position.

Gano is above average.  What's so bad about that?  Like you guys want us to replace him but other than Butker, who have we had an opportunity to sign that would be clearly better AND cheaper than Gano?  
 

There is nothing wrong with the team going forward with Gano.  He can be inconsistent, but that is the case for every kicker not named Tucker.  Just look at the #s.  He's fine.  

And does it suck he misses XPs?  Yes, but keep in mind that is a small sample size.  The difference between his 90% and someone's 95% could be 1 missed extra point.  You need to apply context to your numbers.

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I am hoping the Panthers can move on in the future and not worry about kicks to win the game, but TDs to win. 

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16 minutes ago, Mage said:

 

You are saying we shouldn't shield Gano.  Okay then.  Name an option who is available who would be better.

If you can't answer the question, then what exactly is your problem with us keeping Gano?

What kind of argument is this? Have I indicated at all that I am confused about the fact we are stuck with him? Just because we are stuck with him doesn't mean we have to suck his dick.

We both know he isn't going anywhere this season. Possibly not even next season. But we need competition in the next season or two, legitimate competition, not just some camp body.

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36 minutes ago, Mage said:

And does it suck he misses XPs?  Yes, but keep in mind that is a small sample size.  The difference between his 90% and someone's 95% could be 1 missed extra point.  You need to apply context to your numbers.

149 (that's one hundred and forty nine) NFL kickers have a better XP percentage than Graham Gano, and he has been playing for a decade.

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there are like 2 kickers that emerge every decade or so that people don't think suck.  Every team complains about the kicker because every kicker misses kicks.  Every fan base complains about a kicker that has existed for more than 4 seasons or so. 

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38 minutes ago, CRA said:

there are like 2 kickers that emerge every decade or so that people don't think suck.  Every team complains about the kicker because every kicker misses kicks.  Every fan base complains about a kicker that has existed for more than 4 seasons or so. 

Absolutely. Which is why 2020 and 2021 will be very important. By 2021 in the final year of his contract Gano will have a 5.2 million dollar cap hit at 34 years old. If he is still inconsistent there is no reason to keep beating this "well I guess we can't do any better so why bother?" drum.

For comparison the current highest paid kicker in the NFL Justin Tucker is 5th all time in XP percentage and he has only been in the league since 2012. I'd like to hear why that is from the "but but XP's are more difficult now" crowd.

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the real positive w/ Gano is get automatic touch backs and gives you better than normal NFL odds at a 60-65 yard kick if needed. 

that is what his real positives are.  Every kicker doesn't offer those two.  So the question is how much is that worth. 

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