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Big News 3.0... Joey Slye Extended

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17 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

He only really "struggled" because the team struggled.  He had a very large amount of 40+ and 50+ yard kicks that no kicker in the NFL was taking.  Our offense was so bad and would regularly sputter out, we'd send in Slye every time we hit the 50 yard line.

He pretty much lost the first saints game. The other two phases did enough to win that one

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I am willing to give him another shot. I hope Gano can reclaim his consistency and be the guy, though. I feel better about him than Slye. 

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13 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

I am willing to give him another shot. I hope Gano can reclaim his consistency and be the guy, though. I feel better about him than Slye. 

Gano has never been consistent.  He literally is the Panthers when it comes to his track record.

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7 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Almost any kicker in the NFL would have struggled if they were on the Panthers last year.  I really need to save his kicking stats, vs Gano and the NFL average so I don't have to type it up again every few weeks when someone brings up Slye.  Sly has 22 kicks from 40+.  went 8-11 at 40-49 and 8-11 at 50+.  He was 9/10 for all others.

When compared to the Huddle golden kicker, Butker.  Slye had nearly twice his kicks at 50+ while Butker was 3-6.  

Our horrible offense was the number 1 reason Slye missed as many kicks as he did.

The last few times a kicker had 11+ 50+ attempts?

Prater (DET) 2017 : 7-11

Myers (JAX) 2016 : 7-12

Zuerlein (STL) 2012 : 7-13

Janikowskie (OAK) 2007 : 6-11

And thats it.  Since 2000.  Slye had the best year for a NFL kicker at the 50+ range in the last 20 years.  But we want to kick him to the curb because our offense was horrible and we put him in a low-success position.  Constantly.

Well Football Outsiders has us rated #13 in FG/XP and their metric is based on a comparison to league averages, so he rates as basically average in the "comparison" world. Not sure that bears out with your "low success" take, considering that they take that into account. 

He was 25th of 28 qualifying kickers in XP% last year, so I am not sure how the rest of the team takes that hit. He was last in the NFL in 20-29 FG% and only 3 of his 7 misses were from 50+ yards. 23rd of 33 qualifying kickers in 2019. 

So, yeah, he struggled. He cost us in some close games, as well. 

vs. Rams: Missed 1 FG; Final margin: 3

vs. Jaguars: Missed 2 FG, 1 XP; Final margin: 7

vs. Bucs: Missed 2 FG; Final margin: 11

vs. Titans: Missed 1 FG, 1 XP; Final margin: 10

vs. Saints: Missed 1 FG, 2 XP; Final margin: 3

 

He was a bottom end kicker in the league, although he has a huge, huge leg(#1 in TB% among kickers with more than 1 game) and was pretty damn good from 50+. But, he struggled overall. Quoting his 50+ stats won't change that.

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23 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Almost any kicker in the NFL would have struggled if they were on the Panthers last year.  I really need to save his kicking stats, vs Gano and the NFL average so I don't have to type it up again every few weeks when someone brings up Slye.  Sly has 22 kicks from 40+.  went 8-11 at 40-49 and 8-11 at 50+.  He was 9/10 for all others.

When compared to the Huddle golden kicker, Butker.  Slye had nearly twice his kicks at 50+ while Butker was 3-6.  

Our horrible offense was the number 1 reason Slye missed as many kicks as he did.

The last few times a kicker had 11+ 50+ attempts?

Prater (DET) 2017 : 7-11

Myers (JAX) 2016 : 7-12

Zuerlein (STL) 2012 : 7-13

Janikowskie (OAK) 2007 : 6-11

And thats it.  Since 2000.  Slye had the best year for a NFL kicker at the 50+ range in the last 20 years.  But we want to kick him to the curb because our offense was horrible and we put him in a low-success position.  Constantly.

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3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well Football Outsiders has us rated #13 in FG/XP and their metric is based on a comparison to league averages, so he rates as basically average in the "comparison" world. Not sure that bears out with your "low success" take, considering that they take that into account. 

He was 25th of 28 qualifying kickers in XP% last year, so I am not sure how the rest of the team takes that hit. He was last in the NFL in 20-29 FG% and only 3 of his 7 misses were from 50+ yards. 23rd of 33 qualifying kickers in 2019. 

So, yeah, he struggled. He cost us in some close games, as well. 

vs. Rams: Missed 1 FG; Final margin: 3

vs. Jaguars: Missed 2 FG, 1 XP; Final margin: 7

vs. Bucs: Missed 2 FG; Final margin: 11

vs. Titans: Missed 1 FG, 1 XP; Final margin: 10

vs. Saints: Missed 1 FG, 2 XP; Final margin: 3

 

He was a bottom end kicker in the league, although he has a huge, huge leg(#1 in TB% among kickers with more than 1 game) and was pretty damn good from 50+. But, he struggled overall. Quoting his 50+ stats won't change that.

Undrafted kicker first year. 

I'll take it. 

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4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well Football Outsiders has us rated #13 in FG/XP and their metric is based on a comparison to league averages, so he rates as basically average in the "comparison" world. Not sure that bears out with your "low success" take, considering that they take that into account. 

He was 25th of 28 qualifying kickers in XP% last year, so I am not sure how the rest of the team takes that hit. He was last in the NFL in 20-29 FG% and only 3 of his 7 misses were from 50+ yards. 23rd of 33 qualifying kickers in 2019. 

You sold me.

Lets get rid of every player on the team that cost us a game last year because they messed up.

I am waiting to hear that 98% of the team is being cut.

His 40+ and 50+ stats are extremely important because thats where his misses are.  You are quoting his misses while avoiding the context of those misses.  If our offense wasn't messing up  (Sorry, Kyle Allen, CMC, Moore, Samuel.  all should be cut now.  They could have done better in 1 or 2 plays in those same games I am sure) then he wouldn't be kicking from max distance so often.

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Just now, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

You sold me.

Lets get rid of every player on the team that cost us a game last year because they messed up.

I am waiting to hear that 98% of the team is being cut.

His 40+ and 50+ stats are extremely important because thats where his misses are.  You are quoting his misses while avoiding the context of those misses.  If our offense wasn't messing up  (Sorry, Kyle Allen, CMC, Moore, Samuel.  all should be cut now.  They could have done better in 1 or 2 plays in those same games I am sure) then he wouldn't be kicking from max distance so often.

Where did I say that we should get rid of him? The only issue I have is that you are pretty much quoting only his 50+ stats and using that as justification to say it wasn't his fault he struggled. No, he just plain struggled. Those were the facts. It didn't mean he was awful but he was mediocre at best overall. 

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