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If we don’t trade down...Brown will be our pick.

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1 minute ago, Toomers said:

That’s strange. The Panthers spent how much on their DL last year? And how did that work out for the LBs? Now we can find a player like Brown, cheap in FA. Sure.....go with that. 
 

   

And injuries had NOTHING to do with that... 

 

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And with the limitations on physicals, it’s going to be a pain to try and trade him. 

Gee no sh!t.

KK isn’t going anywhere this year. Everyone knows that.

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Im just surprised a lot of people are really high on Brown here. I thought I was higher than most on him. Heck I just heard Peter S. on fox say he believes Kinlaw will be taken over Brown. I just feel like what I am reading and hearing it seems like we could trade back and still get him. No way he is the pick if Simmons or Okudah is there. 

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Also I wouldn't mind at all if Brown was the pick. Just don't think he will be if we stay at 7. I think if Simmons and Okudah are gone, we try desperately to trade back. 

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1 minute ago, Jared Patterson said:

Im just surprised a lot of people are really high on Brown here. I thought I was higher than most on him. Heck I just heard Peter S. on fox say he believes Kinlaw will be taken over Brown. I just feel like what I am reading and hearing it seems like we could trade back and still get him. No way he is the pick if Simmons or Okudah is there. 

I view Brown mainly as a NT and while he's still top iDL for me it's not a position I'd value as highly. He is significantly ahead of the next NT in the draft but I think you can get solid production in that role from a mid round prospect.

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6 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Given that the point went way over your head I don't think you are in any place to making blanket statements about what any team should do in the draft.

You missed the entire subject matter of what was being discussed based on your answer.

You can try and spin it any way you want but you’re the moron that went to the NFL site to get their draft grades to try and prove a point.

Yikes.

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5 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

And injuries had NOTHING to do with that... 

 

Gee no sh!t.

KK isn’t going anywhere this year. Everyone knows that.

 They sucked even before injuries. But hey, Kyle Love. McCoy, Butler.Poe till week 11. What’s the problem. If “cheap” FA is all you need, why did they suck? 
 

     And giving KK 13M more, just to save 6M next year makes no sense in the position this team is in. 

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Thats what I have been trying to say. NFL Draft is my hobby, I have watched every bit of Browns tape. He isn't super quick and is not a great pass rusher. He is a good pass rusher, but idk if he is the best value at 7. If you watched real coaches tape and not youtube you would notice. Don't be shocked if he falls a bit in the draft

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Also, if you actually look into what Rhule has been saying, he wants SPEED and versatility w an emphasis on speed. Simmons seems like the only guy to me we would stay at 7 and take. I guarantee Simmons is a top 3 player on our board. 

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17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

After that "Hurney special" restructure last year, trading him would be painful anyway. We'd only save about $2M in cap space. Honestly, with only $2M to save I'd rather have him on the roster. Unless he has a real bounce back season, he'll be gone next year when we can save $9M. Maybe Panthers North (Bills) or Panthers Mid-Atlantic (Redskins) would be willing to toss us a late rounder for him then.

   I just can’t get on board with giving a guy on decline 13M more to save 6M next year. Same with Paradis. Time to cut the losses. 

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1 minute ago, Toomers said:

   I just can’t get on board with giving a guy on decline 13M more to save 6M next year. Same with Paradis. Time to cut the losses. 

All I care about are cap impacts. I don't care about what has to come out of Tepper's pocket. He can afford it.

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3 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Also, if you actually look into what Rhule has been saying, he wants SPEED and versatility w an emphasis on speed. Simmons seems like the only guy to me we would stay at 7 and take. I guarantee Simmons is a top 3 player on our board. 

     Guaranteed? Why? Because a coach made a general comment during lying season? 
 

  

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24 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If Okudah is there I think he's the pick over Brown. I like Brown, but I think it's easier to find a run stuffing DT than it is to find an elite level CB. Simmons is tempting too, but of the 3, I think Okudah would make the most difference. Action Jackson as our top CB is a scary thought going into training camp, whenever that ends up being. 

Okudah would be a great pick and I would be thrilled if we got him as well, but make no mistake about it Brown is not just a run stuffing DT. He is an elite DT which is at the same value to me as an elite CB (who actually have the highest bust rate of 1st round picks), he blows up plays constantly including passing plays, and fills our number one need on the team (how many time did you cringe last year watching backup running backs break 20 yard gains on us)

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All I care about are cap impacts. I don't care about what has to come out of Tepper's pocket. He can afford it.

   That is cap impacts. I would never bring up anything else. Like you, Tepper got plenty. 
 


 

   

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Just now, Toomers said:

   That is cap impacts. I would never bring up anything else. Like you, Tepper got plenty. 
 


 

   

He's going to hit us for $17.4M this season no matter what. That's his dead cap number. His cap hit for the season is $19.4M. $13.1M is the actual pay he'll receive this season. That's the figure I couldn't possibly care less about. All that matters is $19.4M and $17.4M.

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31 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Im just surprised a lot of people are really high on Brown here. I thought I was higher than most on him. Heck I just heard Peter S. on fox say he believes Kinlaw will be taken over Brown. I just feel like what I am reading and hearing it seems like we could trade back and still get him. No way he is the pick if Simmons or Okudah is there. 

I don’t think anyone takes Kinlaw over Brown. Huge difference in production and impact when you watch the games. I remember the year experts were debating if we should pick Cam or Blaine Gabbert (with multiple picking Gabbert as the safer bet). No one can deny Kinlaw is an athletic freak at the position, but the tape does not lie. Kinlaw would be a perfect selection if we traded back. 

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