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Marty confirms we had zero teams interested in trading for Cam

and that we decided and then told Cam we were moving on, before it went public 

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28 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Marty confirms we had zero teams interested in trading for Cam

and that we decided and then told Cam we were moving on, before it went public 

Albert Breer, SI.com

Newton has had multiple procedures on his throwing shoulder and is coming off surgery on his left foot. Add to that the magnitude of making him your starting quarterback, and there’d be enough to make Gill, a shoulder specialist himself, uneasy.

“There’s no way I could trust a shoulder exam [from someone else], based on strength, stability, motion, because of what might be important to me,” Gill said. “And I know just based on my track record, knowing how I evaluate people, what’s worked well versus someone else maybe saying that’s not as big a deal. … There’s no way I could sign off on a guy like that if I didn’t examine him personally.”’

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/06/jeffrey-lurie-robert-kraft-coronavirus-draft-notes

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Posted (edited)

Contracts are an amazing tool and one of the great things about being an American is everything is negotiable, even prison sentences.

If a team, any team, had real interest in Cam they wouldn't let the lack of a shoulder exam by their favorite Doc keep them from locking him down --- they would simply protect themselves with specific language in the contract. 

It's funny that Doctor Gill in the example provided above by @TheSpecialJuan Gill categorically says "there’s no way I could sign off on a guy like that if I didn’t examine him personally" as it goes to Cam yet with the Pedro Martinez and Red Sox, he did exactly that....even without examining Martinez he signed off on a 2-yr contract offer. 

Lack of interest in Cam isn't foot or shoulder related, there's something else.  Eventually we'll learn what it is...  (and I think Pioli provided a hint today)

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If Hurn trades up I will lose my cool . So I could guess all defense so my hopes of jeudy or lamb are gone and we will regret taking one of them . We’ll prob get Derrick brown which is nothing special he’s Jonathan allen 2.0 we were mocked to pick Allen which is a nobody but gentleman being a good gm drafted McCaffrey n we got a play maker 

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17 hours ago, Basbear said:

@thefuzz had a great comment about this. He said it feels like Herniay runs the show one day, then Rhule the next day , followed by Tepper daily show.

That's what it's felt like since Rhule was hired.

We are a mess.  Smart teams have always liked having us around, now they are probably damn near laughing their asses off.

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17 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Simplest answer: They want to keep him.

More than one analyst has said that the unwritten rule when it comes to free agents is to not let them get to the final year of their contract. So if the Panthers do want top ensure that he never hits free agency, getting an early start on at least preliminary talks would make sense.

Will they actually be able to keep him? Jury's still out on that.

5th year option changes that for 1st rounders...I'm not a fan of starting extension talks now, especially if Marty is in charge of the structuring.

If we MUST pay him now, make it the most front loaded contract in the NFL.

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If football ops Hurney is the #3 man.

#1 is Tepper.

#2 is Rhule.

#3 is Hurney.

At this point Hurney's role is to gather information for Rhule & Tepper.  Hurndog has no authority to do anything player related without involving Rhule all of the time, and Tepper almost all of the time.

Obviously Hurndog is also functioning as a liaison to outside media, etc as well.

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7 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

If football ops Hurney is the #3 man.

#1 is Tepper.

#2 is Rhule.

#3 is Hurney.

At this point Hurney's role is to gather information for Rhule & Tepper.  Hurndog has no authority to do anything player related without involving Rhule all of the time, and Tepper almost all of the time.

Obviously Hurndog is also functioning as a liaison to outside media, etc as well.

I could somewhat stomach Hurney in a media liaison role with the team...so long as he has absolutely no contact in any way with the football operations.

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15 hours ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

we think Greg is very talented and has a good chance to be a very good player, and maybe has some position flexibility.”

That last point could indicate that the Panthers will try Little, who played only left tackle through his entire collegiate career, only practiced (when he wasn’t hurt) at left tackle last season and is a long-legged, long-armed tackle prototype for whom Hurney traded up last spring while touting as a hopeful long-term solution for the Panthers at left tackle, at a different position. Like guard.
 

 

SO WE TRADED UP TO 37 LAST YEAR TO SELECT A KID WHO WE ARE GOING TO PLAY AT LG.  AND IS ATROCIOUS AT RUN BLOCKING????  IM SURE CMC IS THRILLED ABOUT THAT.  

We traded Erick McCoy (Saints stud C) and Bobby Evans (Rams starting RT and considered G/T pre-draft) for a backup LT who isn’t a fit at G. SMH, last year’s draft was awful and we had an extra 3rd.

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1 hour ago, RASTAN66 said:

If football ops Hurney is the #3 man.

#1 is Tepper.

#2 is Rhule.

#3 is Hurney.

At this point Hurney's role is to gather information for Rhule & Tepper.  Hurndog has no authority to do anything player related without involving Rhule all of the time, and Tepper almost all of the time.

Obviously Hurndog is also functioning as a liaison to outside media, etc as well.

This is a good thing 

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5 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

This is a good thing 

And true.

It amazes me how many folks think Hurney is running the show -- couldn't be further from the truth. 

Hurndog doesn't have the authority to pull the trigger on ANYTHING without the approval of Tepper and/or Rhule.

For those of you who may watch Billions...Tepper is Axe...Rhule is Dollar Bill (a portfolio manager with limited trading authority)...Hurndog is a supporting analyst with no trading authority (unless it is co-brokered with Rhule and doesn't exceed Rhule's size limits).

 

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2 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

And true.

It amazes me how many folks think Hurney is running the show -- couldn't be further from the truth. 

Hurndog doesn't have the authority to pull the trigger on ANYTHING without the approval of Tepper and/or Rhule.

For those of you who may watch Billions...Tepper is Axe...Rhule is a portfolio manager with limited trading authority...Hurndog is a supporting analyst with no trading authority (unless it is co-brokered with Rhule and doesn't exceed Rhule's size limits).

 

This is precisely why Tepper has not removed Hurney as the GM, he's a company man who will do whatever Tepper/Rhule tell him to do. 

Other GM candidates (Andrew Berry, Cesario in NE) would most certainly want full control. 

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5 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

This is precisely why Tepper has not removed Hurney as the GM, he's a company man who will do whatever Tepper/Rhule tell him to do. 

Other GM candidates (Andrew Berry, Cesario in NE) would most certainly want full control. 

Yup.

Gathering information, and monetizing said information, are 2 completely different skill sets.

Tepper values Hurndog for the former.

Tepper is worth all that money because he is the best there is at the latter, and, is elite at identifying and empowering great information gatherers.  The combination is lethal.

Add Rhule to the mix and you have a blockbuster trade on the book.

This is fun to watch.

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26 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

This is precisely why Tepper has not removed Hurney as the GM, he's a company man who will do whatever Tepper/Rhule tell him to do. 

Other GM candidates (Andrew Berry, Cesario in NE) would most certainly want full control. 

I agree with this.. Hurney has always been a yes man ready to fall on the sword while doing other ppl wishes...

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44 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

Yup.

Gathering information, and monetizing said information, are 2 completely different skill sets.

Tepper values Hurndog for the former.

Tepper is worth all that money because he is the best there is at the latter, and, is elite at identifying and empowering great information gatherers.  The combination is lethal.

Add Rhule to the mix and you have a blockbuster trade on the book.

This is fun to watch.

Well said. so there you have it folks, enjoy the show. 

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