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If Bridgewater has a good showing this season...(an exercise in critical thinking and problem solving)

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2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Lawrence is the only QB in this draft who is a no brainer, but I am going to watch Newman carefully to see how he does at UGA.  42 completions and 0 interceptions behind the numbers Lance put up is hard to argue---but I keep thinking , "RGIII" and need to get that out of my head.

 

It's hard to respect those numbers playing in FCS for me.  I need to see him versus BCS level competition before I believe in him

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5 minutes ago, bababoey said:

You could go a lot further down the rabbit hole than that.  Let's say Teddy throws for 3600 - 3800 yard, completes 65% and throw 25 TD to 10 int.  Not bad numbers and if the Oline plays just average, very realistic numbers.  But we only win 4 games because the defense sucks so bad.

What to do then?

If we have a top 5 pick and 1 or 2 of the QB's are still there do you 1) take one of them 2) trade down and get a king's ransom 3) take the best position player like the LT from Oregon?

You do your due diligence and pick the best qb available.  I think the current model of the qb on the rookie deal and get him talent all around is the way to go in todays nfl

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I am probably in the minority in this thinking, but I think RG3 would have had a completely different career if that dummy knew how to slide and/or avoid taking monster hits.

 

Also it appears Lance is way thicker than RG3

TB's build is a concern too.  However, RG3's frame and his narcissism caught up to him. Watched him interview and he was not about team as much as "me," but he was humble about it.  I think he was trying to create highlight reels more than win games---not getting that they are separate things---not a fair assessment, perhaps, but it was a hunch or feeling I got.  By the way Cousins, Tanneyhill, Garropalo, Carr, and Brees were all over 68.5% completions in 2019, so 70% for a short passing game is possible.

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In my eyes it's all about ceiling and team elevation. Is a guy available that is believed to be able to elevate a team around him? Yes, grab him. If not, then Teddy is already that guy and a proven commodity so it may be worth holding tight.

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I think that you have to draft the QB if you’re up there. Too much value in a franchise QB and more often than not, you’ll be punished for trying to get cute and build a team without one when you could have taken one. See the Browns

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3 minutes ago, Ship said:

I think that you have to draft the QB if you’re up there. Too much value in a franchise QB and more often than not, you’ll be punished for trying to get cute and build a team without one when you could have taken one. See the Browns

Browns Draft a new franchise QB every other year

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20 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

It's hard to respect those numbers playing in FCS for me.  I need to see him versus BCS level competition before I believe in him

Not many D-1 qbs would have had his numbers at NDSU in 2019.  The kid is 6-3 225 and was 19 years old.   However, there are more FCS QBs than you think--

  • Carson Wentz
  • Jimmy Garrappolo
  • Joe Flacco
  • Ryan Fitzpatrick

Some others:

  • Tony Romo
  • Steve McNair
  • Curt Warner
  • Phil Simms
  • Doug Williams

He chose NDSU over Boise State and W. Michigan. Daniel Jeremiah thinks that he will be better than NDSU's Carson Wentz:

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-trey-lance-north-dakota-state-qb-similar-to-andrew-luck

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No matter how well Teddy plays, you can't pass on the opportunity to draft Trevor Lawrence... there's always bust potential, but the upside is astronomical. Passing on Trevor Lawrence could haunt this franchise forever.

What if the Chiefs had passed on Mahomes because Alex Smith was playing well? 

I think Teddy would be an ideal mentor to Lawrence and you could give the kid all the time he needs to adjust to the NFL while Teddy plays. 

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2 minutes ago, CatMan72 said:

No matter how well Teddy plays, you can't pass on the opportunity to draft Trevor Lawrence... there's always bust potential, but the upside is astronomical. Passing on Trevor Lawrence could haunt this franchise forever.

What if the Chiefs had passed on Mahomes because Alex Smith was playing well? 

I think Teddy would be an ideal mentor to Lawrence and you could give the kid all the time he needs to adjust to the NFL while Teddy plays. 

I am willing to give Teddy every chance possible,. But if we are picking #1 we should pick Lawrence.  I don't think anyone is disputing that

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12 minutes ago, KSpan said:

In my eyes it's all about ceiling and team elevation. Is a guy available that is believed to be able to elevate a team around him? Yes, grab him. If not, then Teddy is already that guy and a proven commodity so it may be worth holding tight.

It really should come down to this.  It is also a "bird in the hand..." situation as you suggest---My personal preference?  If Teddy is good, trade back and fill OT, MLB, C, CB.  However, if he struggles, I would go QB and be happy with any of the top 3--hoping Newman at UGA develops because he has some skills--a Graham HS guy---who played at Wake. 

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When was the last time a #1 QB pick worked out? Is Cam the only one in the past 10 years? 

All the elite QBs right now were later picks. 
 

It takes a lot of losing and a lot of luck to get a championship QB.
 

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Plenty of average or terrible QBs have had “a” good/great season. So far (yes of course his career was interrupted by a brutal injury) Teddy hasn’t had any. So no I would not pass on a legit top franchise QB prospect because of 1 good year from Teddy. If anything you use that and then maybe another year of him starting while the young QB develops and then trade Teddy to pick up those assets, assuming he actually does look good for 2 years and he has value.

 

Keeping Teddy over a guy like Lawrence or Fields would compare similarly to the Chiefs keeping Alex Smith and not taking Mahomes...

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An elite talent at QB on a rookie contract is the biggest cheat code in the NFL. Yes, if you think there's a franchise QB on the board you take him.

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1 minute ago, Tbe said:

When was the last time a #1 QB pick worked out? Is Cam the only one in the past 10 years? 

All the elite QBs right now were later picks. 
 

It takes a lot of losing and a lot of luck to get a championship QB.
 

Andrew Luck

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Andrew Luck

You consider his career a success?

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1 minute ago, Tbe said:

You consider his career a success?

Pretty much.  It wasn't his fault the franchise failed to protect him 

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