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The ultimate problem with the offense is not pass blocking but rather Baker Mayfield. He's clearly a bottom tier QB and he's awful in the pocket, and mediocre running to the right. The Giants knew he'd run the right and had a spy waiting for him. It's easy to flush Baker out even when he should stay put.

Icky will be a constant problem with pass blocking all season. We're just going o have to live with it as we spend a top 10 pick on him and moving him to LG would be an admission of failure.

At this point I would swap Brady and Icky. Icky just doesn't have the quickness and precision to block quick DEs. He's too sloppy and easy for a DE to set up. Brady could handle the LT position better because he's faster and more precise, and Icky could provide a boost of power at LG. Icky is on the tall side for LG, but I think he could do it. Icky would help our really useless run plays where we use double team blocks that end up getting split or go nowhere. Icky would 100% change that. Pat lacks the power we need in the running game, but he's out there due to an injury. That's fine. Top quality backup center. We will need an upgrade for Corbett in the 2023 draft as he is not powerful enough in the run game. I'm pleased with Moton. He's funny to watch because he's perfected his craft, but he's still pretty slow.

He still has time. It's not 1:30 yet.

Before Rhule arrived I described something called QB limbo in about 5 different threads. This is when you draft or bring in QBs who are not franchise level in talent to start. The reason you don't want to do that is because it's not about the overall talent on the team, it's the about the QB. If you have a lower tier QB, then you're not winning the SB. Period. Not in modern times. Also, you end up winning too many games to get the top QB in the draft. Many countered me by saying that drafting the top prospect didn't matter, and that we could draft a QB lower in the draft and sill land a franchise QB. Let's see how that panned out. The most important event is when the Panthers didn't lose enough games to draft Justin Herbert in the 2020 NFL draft. QB limbo continued with Teddy Bridgewater, the QB Matt Rhule wanted. Rhule FAILED with Teddy and promptly threw him under bus and sent him packing. QB limbo continued with Sam Darnold, another QB Rhule wanted. Rhule failed with Darnold. Now we have the limbo QBs of Baker and Corral. They are both QB limbo level and are not the answer. Rhule will fail with both of them as well if he is allowed to coach in the final year of his contract. All of those QBs were a big waste of time, money, and draft capital. BOA is full of opposing fans, and Panthers fans don't care anymore. That is what I had been warning against all along. QB limbo has worked it's magic. We're ruined, and we could have had Justin Herbert and prosperity. Now what? All Panthers fans had better hope and pray that we lose as many games as possible this season, and that we dump Rhule. Going close to 0-17 will create a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY to end QB limbo, and start fresh with the TOP QB PROSPECT in the 2023 draft. The problem facing us now is that Baker is good enough for us to win about 5 games or so with the rest of the season. Not good, but if the ball bounces against us (see moron Hubbard fumbling) then we can lose enough games to end QB limbo, the thing I have been warning about all along.

I think we can still get 5 wins. So long Rhule.

J.R turned out to be a creep. I don't miss him at all. I do miss the players Hurney drafted in the first round. In those days we had a solid core of highly talented leaders in the field who were also loved by the fan base. Even if the season went poorly, you had some talent out there and leadership. Now under Fitt we have something that rhymes with his name. I want Fitt and Rhule gone. And no of course I don't ever want Hurney back.

It's all about QB play. What killed this franchise was going from Teddy to Sam to washed Cam to Baker. You can't do that and expect good results. We might beat the Falcons next week, but no one in their right mind thinks we're going to have a good season. The teams that can expect good seasons have top tier QBs with very few exceptions. When you have Baker as QB you should expect (with our roster) around 7 wins. Now we've lost against two bad teams 7 wins looks less likely. I think we're now looking at about 5 wins. Why would I be excited in any way to watch the Panthers win 5 ugly games, and never be in contention for the playoffs yet again. I'm going to watch each game, but I am no long watching the games live. I'll record them and watch when I'm bored. Where did it all go wrong? There was a moment in the 2020 draft when Justin Herbert was sitting there at the #6 pick and we had the 7th pick. I said live in the chat it's got to be Herbert right, we've got to get him somehow. I said I hope it's not the fat ass, or something to that effect, meaning we got Brown. Sure enough, the Bolts took Herbert and we got Brown. That was the most critical moment of the post Cam era. The next most critical moment will be the 2023 draft when we have a top 10 pick. Until then there really isn't much to be excited about on the field.

I told you guys all along we are drafting a QB in the top 10 of the 2023 draft. Baker is not good enough unless he makes some sort of miraculous improvement. Also, did we really just lose to the poop Giants? Really?

We've lost one game where Baker kept scrambling out of the pocket for no reason, and had WRs open all over the field the whole game. I think we can wait on the new mega contract.

Just a side note about Snow, I'm sick of him blitzing with Horn. We spent a top 10 pick on him to cover. Send someone else.

Source? Trust me bro. This sounds like a fan fiction written by a middle school Panthers fan.

Pat is a smart player who does dumb crap sometimes. It's hard to explain.

Someone should have told Baker not to roll out or scramble because he's 6'1 going up against either 6'4 Pro Bowl mega athlete long arm leaper, or more likely 6'5 Pro Bowl mega athlete long arm leaper. Baker must have been told poop advice. You tell Baker before the game STAY IN THE POCKET. If you feel interior pressure take a step back or two, and THROW THE BALL. I don't know what they told Baker but he ended all the wrong things for a lot of the game.

I just hope Baker plays a lot smarter this time. Just for example, it was well known that the Browns had huge DEs who were tall and great at pass rushing, but not a good interior pass rush. Yet Baker would leave the pocket for no reason and put himself fact to face with the Browns DEs on the run. Really dumb. Like brain dead. Well now we have the exact opposite situation with the Giants. Their interior pass rush is better than their exterior pass rush. Let's hope Baker acts appropriately in the pocket.

Ok so basically your all-22 showed that Neal pooped the bed big time. Good news for us. I expect us to take advantage early and often, but with Panthers luck he'll put it all together in this game.

Alright I'll go check it out.

So I wondered around youtube since I am off today and I found a play where Neal got to his third step by rushing like hell, and it's so funny because the Titan defender just went inside and because Neal rushed out there to fast he got beat somewhat on the inside. I think vets are having a bit of fun with him. He's just so inexperienced.

I'd like to see the whole Giants game but all I have are some highlights from youtube. From little I can see the negatives for Neal are that he is sometimes making initial contact with his feet almost touching, and that is a result of them changing what he is used to from college. Another negative would be he gets too top heavy sometimes. To make this Panthers related I'd like to see Burns go against Neal that might work to our advantage.

The worst pass blocking plays for Neal will be if he fails to get to that third step in pass pro then he might make contact with his feet almost crossed. If his feet are set it's a wrap usually.

Evan doesn't look as good as in college because they changed the landmark he has to get to so he is coming out more horizontal than vertical in pass pro. He is basically struggling sometimes to get to his third kick step because he has to move faster when he would rather be more vertical. The thing is that if he gets that footwork down pat so that that third kick step is set before contact then he's basically a wall. When he got to his landmark on time he had his way with the Titans from what little I saw. He tossed one Titan rusher right to the turf.

First I'm just a fan and not in any way an expert. I went to look at his pre-season games because I wanted to see why people were saying he looked bad. DEs were doing a technique where you grab the pads of the tackle and pull down to throw him off balance. They were doing that to Neal and he wasn't ready for it and sometimes he would even fall down. The refs were letting them play, and Neal got a lesson from the vet DEs. Check out this video of Neal in his first game. Watch his kick step and hands and balance. Yeah he's overstepping but you can fix that. That is a LT imo. I know a dancing bear when I see one, but he is too green. He'll get better. And preseason.

Ok now I really can see what went wrong. Baker is flying through his reads way too fast, and he's not recognizing which receivers will be wide open in a matter of seconds. He's lacking the mental ability to anticipate which player should be wide open in a few seconds even when he's looking right at that player. If Baker had played better we would have had a 50 burger. Also Baker's pocket awareness is poop sometimes. He must have been in full on panic attack at times in that game. He's got to calm down and stop rushing. Relax. Look. Think. Another problem is Ian Thomas anytime he's asked to be involved in a run play. Good grief. Also Ian got gassed badly and started to clearly run slower and lose strength in blocking. Pat is not as bad as he looks on regular camera angles. He's actually somewhat stout and rather intelligent in spotting stunts. The problem with Pat is that he really lacks power in run blocking. He's just not strong enough. DJ and Robby were carving that Browns secondary to pieces, and Shi to a lesser extent. A better QB would have completely destroyed that secondary. I wanted to draft Evan Neal over Icky and this game really reminded me why. Evan had beautiful technique in college, his kick step was elite, and his hands were powerful, quick, and precise. Icky was out there trying to pass block by shuffling around like we found a random dude out of the stands. WTH? The o-line coach had to be crapping a brink when he saw the footage of that game. CMC is insanely good. That was otherworldly. Never seen him from that perspective. Like a rabbit dodging and bursting through a pack of wolves or something. Crazy.

Yeah if Rhule goes then Fitt should follow. Darnold and Baker are the most important decisions Fitt has made, and if this season is poop then Baker is largely to blame. That means Fitt blew two QB decisions and I don't want him making a third. My thinking is that we clean house, and have a new GM select a QB with our top 10 pick in the 2023 draft. Spend the 2nd round pick on further upgrading the o-line because it got slapped around against Cleveland. Build from there. But that's assuming that Bake will continue to poop the bed. He could turn this around if he stops panicking and pretending to be calm, and comes to an understanding that not even looking at CMC on passing plays is idiotic. Even Sam knew he was usually open and a home run threat.