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Well Baker knows his career is on the line this season. Is he going to be a career backup, or are long term starter? Here we go.

Remember when Justin Herbert went one pick ahead of us when we needed a QB and our scouts were in love with him? That can't happen again or we're screwed. We should have jumped over the Chargers to get Herbert, even if it meant our 2021 1st round pick was the price. We need to be prepared to move up for a QB in the draft, and trading vets for picks can help.

When we made the SB with Jake you could get away with grabbing a WR and stopping him from running his route. When the Jake led Panthers played the Eagles in our playoff run to the SB our DBs grabbed and held onto the Eagles WRs for dear life. No PI calls. Just look at that list of QBs who won, especially the more recent SBs. We're not winning the SB with Baker Mayfield. He doesn't belong with Tom Brady, Mahomes, Manning, Wilson, Rodgers, big Ben, Burrow, ect. That's how you know if you're going to have a shot at winning the SB. Look at your QB. We'll be drafting one in 2023, or we're just idiotic.

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Old school smash mouth with an game manager QB is not going to win Super Bowls. If you're cool with not winning SBs, then really all we need is Baker and a better defense. Then we can get our 8 wins and once in a blue moon make the playoffs. Without a top tier QB you are relying on a middle or lower tier QB having a season where he just plays well beyond his talent level. Like Bake would have to suddenly start playing as well as prime Tom Brady for us to have a shot at the SB. It's not impossible, but you'd be considered an idiot if you expected that to happen. The huddle loves defense and running the ball a lot. That is because Panthers fans grew up with Fox ball, and later RR. This is a LBer loving fan base. Wow look at him tackle! He's a humble lunch pale guy who works hard! The reality is that we need a superstar QB and some arrogant track star WRs to put the ball down the field and in the endzone. Tall, fast, explosive WRs and a tall QB who can drop dimes.

If we could trade either Sam or Baker it would be a huge win even for a lower round pick. We have 4 terrible QBs on this team. Need to flush the toilet.

I expect injury announcements for CMC weekly. The reason CMC is in there a lot is because coaching jobs are on the line. So we have a difference of opinion. You want him to sit more to avoid injury, and I want to play him more and if he gets injured, so be it. Fair enough.

We're paying CMC an incredible amount of money, and the other RBs are not good. I wouldn't take him out either.

If we're not going to draft a QB in 2023, then the only other logical option is to bring in yet another veteran QB. I don't know at what point we're going to stop the QB carousel, but maybe not in my lifetime.

With Pat blocking weakly in the middle, and the o-line still learning how to run block together, RBs other than CMC are going to have a lot of trouble. CMC is making the o-lines run blocking look better than it is in reality. Double team blocks are getting spilt, Pat has no power, the lanes are not coming open, or slamming shut quickly. Then you have CMC doing something terrific that not many RBs in the NFL can do. A lesser back is going to get stuffed for loss. Our coaches want to keep their jobs for another season. Just like the last coaching staff, they're going to ride CMC. Now we're trying to pass more, so CMC is not taking as much of a beating, but still he's fantastic when the line fails and when does well. CMC has this fast decision making combined with quick twitch muscles that allows him to turn nothing into the max we could have possibly gotten out of it. I wouldn't send in the other RB either if my job were on the line.

If we can't draft one of the top QB prospects, and Baker was a flop, then that raises the chances that we bring in another veteran QB. So 2023 would be another cast off QB. In 2024 Corral would have his chance to start. Once Corral flops, we might be in position for a top rookie QB prospect in the draft. Trust me you don't want that. We have to hope we can end QB limbo in the 2023 draft, and that means this team needs to completely collapse. Winning 5 or 6 games is highly likely for this team, and that is just too many wins to end QB limbo. If CMC goes down again, then we might have better odds of winning less than 5 games. Or if Baker does one of his idiotic scrambles and gets injured that would bring out PJ for a while. The floor for this team is 5 wins imo unless the injury bug bites hard. The scary thing is that our division rivals the Saints and Falcons might be snapping up the QBs in 2023 right ahead of us. Imagine the horror: 2023 draft Saints - QB Falcons - QB Panthers - DE

Baker's footwork when he's ready to throw...

If Baker doesn't improve then we could see Sam as soon as he's healthy. Or we could do a weirdo Rhule thing where we start Baker for the first half, and if that doesn't go well, then in comes Sam, or vice verse.

One problem we're facing is that Baker, in this offense, doesn't have a superstar throw the ball to as a bailout. The reason Baker needs a superstar receiving threat is because Baker is not a good QB. Teddy Bridgewater made DJ look terrific because he threw DJ open with leading passes, and then DJ in full stride is hard for any DB to bring down. Baker is not confident is throwing DJ open because he's not a good QB. That's why teams don't mind playing us with a single high safety, and man to man. If a team went to man to man against us with Teddy, then Teddy would throw so many completions to DJ and Robby that he would throw them out of man to man and they would switch to zone to stop the bleeding. And Teddy did that with a worse o-line than what Baker has now. Teddy is a better QB than Baker, and Teddy is backup QB. So yes we're drafting a QB in the 2023 draft. Bet your ass on it. You can see what Baker wants. He wants a stationary target in the middle of the field to hit. Mcadoo knows this and so he sends GIOVANI RICCI to run out there and be the stationary target in the middle of the field for Baker. Why Mcadoo? You know he wants easy passes in the middle of the field. Why give him Ricci, our WORST offensive player on the team, in the middle of the field? Why don't our receivers know when Baker wants to throw a fade? Why aren't we running slant routes like crazy? When we go trips when the Saints are in cover 1, and CMC goes out on the opposite side, then pass has to go to CMC because he is unstoppable in that situation, and he could get a ton of yac. Baker doesn't want to do that and I don't know why. Even Sam would throw to him. Baker's happy feet dancing has got to stop. He is the worst scrambling QB we've ever had since Vinny and Jake. Stop. Stay in the pocket and THROW. Watching Baker stop looking down field and start staring at the d-line even when he's not in danger hurts my soul. Baker is such a coward. He is so scared of any little tiny hint of pressure, yet if he KEPT HIS EYES down field and threw he'd have way more time to throw than Tom Brady. I'm already so sick of Baker. Can't wait to get a better QB. Draft can't come soon enough.

Remember when teams couldn't play man to man on us because Teddy Bridgewater would eat them up? Baker could only dream of doing that.

The kind where the QB poops the bed and the routes make no sense.

Baker is terrible. Sam is terrible. Even with Sam at QB and CMC and Horn injured we won 5 games. It's very unlikely that the Panthers will win less than 5 games this season. The Panthers can beat the Saints again, and sweep the Falcons. Then comes a few fluke wins, or wins where the other team had key injuries. The floor for this team is 5 wins imo. Here is your answer as to if we can turn this around, and it's in the form of a question. Do you think that McAdoo is an offensive genius?

The problem. The solution:

Prediction fulfilled.

Hell I was calling for this win all week. If I were the gambling type I would have put serious money on it. The Saints are terrible and they were busted up, and Winston is one of the worst QBs in the NFL.

Put in Hubbart!

Take CMC out.

We could give the lowly Saints an extra 20 plays on offense and this is still over.

The way Shaq ran down Alvin you can tell Alvin is not the same speed as the old days.